7d ago

Zelenskyy calls for creation of ‘Armed Forces of Europe’.

www.voanews.com Zelenskyy calls for creation of ‘Armed Forces of Europe’

Call comes amid uncertainty about US support

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for the creation of a unified European military force, saying the continent must be self-reliant amid a persistent threat from Russia and uncertainty about U.S. support -- a situation he described as "this new reality."

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What an idea, a military coalition to deter Russia from its worst impulses. I'm surprised nobody thought of this 75 years ago.
- Now we also need one to deal with the US's worst impulses at the same time.
  
  In fairness, this seems equally effective against an increasingly hostile US
- There were ideas for a joint European military relatively shortly after WW2. The project ultimately failed after nationalists won an election in France and wanted nothing to do with it.
  
  Nationalism and doing things against the interest of the nation, name a more iconic duo.
  
  You got a link to this fanfic?

NATO is effectively dead. Artifle 5 wont be honored by America. And the Alliance has trojan horses in it like Hungary under Fidesz.
Time for a new alliance.
Im writing tihs with the expectation that in my lifetime, the US is going to attack my country (Canada). The silence has been deafening on the American Jingoistic / imperialist talk in regards to us.
- And please, this time make it possible to eject someone in peacetime with a 3/4 or 2/3 vote.
  We'll see what happens. Unfortunately the Europeans don't have the same cultural affinity as we do and seem a bit behind on understanding the situation.
  
  I don't know about that. What if Poland goes right wing Russian for a single election. Gets ejected. Russia invades Poland. Then what? If you are then going to protect them, there was no point to the ejection.
  IMO it needs to be a permanent union to be strong. Like the United States after the Civil War.

Yes yes yes and yes.
We should also have boots on the ground in Ukraine IMO. This madness must stop and it's not the american clowns that ate going to do it. Next step for them will be to lift the sanctions.
- You can already go there and join their foreign legion, actually it's been 3 years for you to have your boots on the ground. The fact that you are here and not there means you and those upvoting you want someone else to die for your militaristic fantasies while you chill in the comments.
  
  I'm sure I'd be a major asset to the foreign legion with my flat feet, sleep apnea and ADHD 😂
  
  What an incredible stupid take.

We need three things to build real military power in Europe.
France must put its nuclear capabilities at the service of the whole.
France must put its permanent seat at the UN at the service of the whole
The whole must create a power that is sufficiently centralised and at the same time representative of the European people and their interests.
If you see this as viable, this option is viable. I choose to believe that all of this is an opportunity to make it happen.
- Id say that the UK also needs to remove their heads from their asses and realise that they are part of Europe and act accordingly. Their ego over their past empire is poisoning them slowly. They are too powerful for Europe to not have but too weak to truly stand on their own.
  
  As an Englishman, I'm still cursing the puppets who voted leave. It was mostly based on lies and half truths. A lot of us want back in to Europe. We just need to figure out how to clean house and make sure people understand what we are (re)gaining.
  In the world that's coming, we need to stand as a united front.
  
  United Kingdom does not want to be part of the EU, and obviously we will not force them, if one day they change their minds they will be welcome but in the meantime the others cannot continue waiting and we must move now, now, without delay
- goes against anti proliferation treaties, and 2., while desirable, is not directly related to the matter at hand.
  Some people would rather bow to fucking USA administration than spend tax dollars (or euros) on military. Are you German by any chance?
  
  The treaty recognizes France as a nuclear power, a European army with France inside could easily argue as "heir" of that right.
  A first -order power, with true military intervention capacity in a global way, has to be able to block decisions at the UN, another thing is to remain in second. That is matter in hand, play with the elderly

Ukraine:
could y'all for me do at minimum something?
rest of world:
mmmaybeee…

I think it would be best to go to a world before 2014 and stop the occupation of Crimea. That would stop all parasites like Putin to get any ideas.
So build a time machine.
Or a big f. army.

Probably going to need a Eurasian army to take on Oceania and Eastasia.

Donald Trump is going to see this as a direct threat to national security and will preemptively attack the netherlands
- And rename it hisland.

Repost :) https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21996745
- Your post (link) is better in 2 ways i.m.o. :
  1- based on more reputable source :
  Zelenskyy: ‘The time has come’ for a European army – POLITICO and,
  2- it was posted 5 minutes before
  Other links to the same :
  community: !europe@feddit.org
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  https://lemmy.world/post/25604480

Ok, but is that not what Nato is meant to be?
- NATO is mainly a tool of US power projection in Europe cosplaying as a defensive alliance against Russia.
  Now with a Russian puppet sitting in the White House another time (and possibly for good), this concept isn't worth the paper the North Atlantic Treaty is written on.
  
  How would you implement a defensive alliance against russia without say US troops in the Baltic nations?
- It just a nice way of saying we should distance from US.
  A trick for politicians to talk about it trough media and countries without talking about US, like who else think this…. It would be Germany and France that would have to be the prime drive so is really for political persons there.
  I’m from Denmark so really to small to do anything, but I think we would be ready to take quite a big step away from US towards Germany. The negative impact of the last few weeks are hard to explain but I think we lost trust in the US as a people not just a few persons.
  
  Definitely don't trust the US population, we're pretty much all stupid and selfish.
  
  Poland needs to give Germany a couple of kicks in the arse, "go, rearm, no we don't mind you having a strong military we mind you not having one let's go kick Russian asses". France has been anti-atlanticist for basically ever, they're the ones constantly pushing for European strategic autonomy. I believe in Poland. They're Slavs, they can get a rusty motor running.
- Control of NATO's military is under direct control of the most unstable member.

Sounds good but it will ultimately turn into another U.N or NATO that doesn’t actually do anything, just eats up money while they argue and veto and nothing happens

Nooooo it should be the other way around!!! Dissolve armed forces because we don’t have wars anymore!!!

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