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Zelenskyy calls for creation of ‘Armed Forces of Europe’.

www.voanews.com Zelenskyy calls for creation of ‘Armed Forces of Europe’

Call comes amid uncertainty about US support

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for the creation of a unified European military force, saying the continent must be self-reliant amid a persistent threat from Russia and uncertainty about U.S. support -- a situation he described as "this new reality."

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We need three things to build real military power in Europe.
France must put its nuclear capabilities at the service of the whole.
France must put its permanent seat at the UN at the service of the whole
The whole must create a power that is sufficiently centralised and at the same time representative of the European people and their interests.
If you see this as viable, this option is viable. I choose to believe that all of this is an opportunity to make it happen.
- Id say that the UK also needs to remove their heads from their asses and realise that they are part of Europe and act accordingly. Their ego over their past empire is poisoning them slowly. They are too powerful for Europe to not have but too weak to truly stand on their own.
  
  As an Englishman, I'm still cursing the puppets who voted leave. It was mostly based on lies and half truths. A lot of us want back in to Europe. We just need to figure out how to clean house and make sure people understand what we are (re)gaining.
  In the world that's coming, we need to stand as a united front.
  
  United Kingdom does not want to be part of the EU, and obviously we will not force them, if one day they change their minds they will be welcome but in the meantime the others cannot continue waiting and we must move now, now, without delay
  
  Brexit was the product of russian disinformation and social engineering. The margin was laughably small and Scotland was 60% in favour of remaining (anti immigration propaganda didn't address the massive numbers of English people already in Scotland). Most people in England would vote to rejoin at this point though.
  
  Ok, I am delighted to hear that, vote the rejoin, in EU we will be happy to negotiate adhesion, but it does not seem something that can be resolved in weeks and the military union should occur in that type of deadline
  
  Brexit was caused by British exceptionalism. The people who wanted to leave wanted to leave because they thought UK is so great that it could bend the EU. People who didn't want to leave did so because they believed UK already had a good deal with the EU (and they did) because the UK is so great. Polling data backs that up because if you start asking about making "concessions" to rejoin the EU that "Yes" to rejoin turns into "I'd rather not".
  Polling data from a year ago
  REFV2. If tomorrow there were another referendum on EU membership, how do you think you would vote?
  Stay out of the EU - 39%
  Rejoin the EU - 61%
  EURO. Would the requirement to adopt the Euro as currency change your decision to rejoin the EU if you would vote to rejoin?
  I would still want the UK to rejoin the EU if adopting the Euro was a requirement - 35%
  I would not want the UK to rejoin the EU if adopting the Euro was a requirement - 9%
  I would only want to rejoin the EU if we were able to keep Sterling as our currency - 14%
  Would vote to stay out - 39%
- goes against anti proliferation treaties, and 2., while desirable, is not directly related to the matter at hand.
  Some people would rather bow to fucking USA administration than spend tax dollars (or euros) on military. Are you German by any chance?
  
  The treaty recognizes France as a nuclear power, a European army with France inside could easily argue as "heir" of that right.
  A first -order power, with true military intervention capacity in a global way, has to be able to block decisions at the UN, another thing is to remain in second. That is matter in hand, play with the elderly

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