Meta asks the US government to block OpenAI’s switch to a for-profit
Meta asks the US government to block OpenAI’s switch to a for-profit
“OpenAI wants to change its status while retaining all of the benefits that enabled it to reach the point it has today,” Meta argues.
Meta is asking California Attorney General Rob Bonta to block OpenAI’s planned transition from a non-profit to for-profit entity.
In a letter sent to Bonta’s office this week, Meta says that OpenAI “should not be allowed to flout the law by taking and reappropriating assets it built as a charity and using them for potentially enormous private gains.”
The letter, which was first reported on by The Wall Street Journal and you can read in full below, goes so far as to say that Meta believes Elon Musk is “qualified and well positioned to represent the interests of Californians in this matter.” Meta supporting Musk’s fight against OpenAI is notable given that Musk and Mark Zuckerberg were talking about literally fighting in a cage match just last year.
Just cos meta supports it doesnt mean its bad. The enemy of my enemy etc etc
Yeah I mean zuck and musk don’t want it because it removes an extra hoop that OpenAI has to jump through to compete, but all said and done fuck all three of them for taking another leap in human achievement and making it a “profit for investors at any cost.” And fuck OpenAI especially for pretending that wasn’t the case all along
And fuck OpenAI especially for pretending that wasn’t the case all along
I'm not sure they were ever pretending. I saw another Lemmy post about the Musk-OpenAI email exchanges from 8 years ago.
They seemed very open that the long term plan was to become a for profit company. They said they weren't ready yet and rejected Elon's demand to make him majority owner and merge with Tesla.
And they make a valid point. Imagine if all startups started as non profit, raised their assets with tax reduction, and then decided to go for profit when it suited them? That’s tax evasion.
Thats a great idea u mind if i steal it?
Meta sucks, but here they are very right
Meta sucks, but here they are very
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Meta sucks, but here they are very
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Meta is just trying to protect their intellectual property, meaning everything anyone has created on any of their platforms.
Yep, they own all of it, including every single comment anyone has written on Whatsapp.
they're also making their own ai and don't want openai to keep being better
Ironic they are demanding government regulation / interdiction.
Big corp loves regulation of its competition most of all.
don't just block them. force all AI companies that use online content for research to move to a nonprofit and require them to provide their source code openly.
tax payer dollars paid to create that content so that means that AI is tax payer bought.
don't like it? train your models on a closed network that's behind a paywall.
That's beyond stupid.
If you don't want bots scraping your content, then don't put it up on the public internet.
I think you're misunderstanding the origin of the Internet.
I was there, I know what made the Internet amazing before it was sold out for corporate interests.
It was inspired by another technology that was, in many ways, the Internet of the early 20th century. I'm referring to HAM radio.
HAM radio is fun because of the strict regulations operators need to follow and the communities that are fostered in those regulations.
the early Internet was not only built by those same people, but had fostered the same kind of spirit behind HAM. corporate interests broke the dam on a lack of regulation and have been flooding the web for decades since.
if we want to return to any semblance of what the Internet supported at the turn of the century, we must increase regulations that prohibit the abuse and theft of online intellectual property.
If a company can be considered a person, then I see no reason why each of my online contributions can't be one as well. and as such no reason why each of those contributions can't be afforded the same protections of personhood giants like UHC, Amazon, OpenAI can benefit from.
90% of Facebook content is AI generated content now. I cant even see what my friends are doing anymore. Makes me want to just delete it. But, I do occasionally see stuff from family and friends, which is the only reason I keep it. Some people I only stay in touch with through Facebook. But seriously, fuck that company.
You won't miss it, you think you will but you honestly won't.
Getting rid of Facebook was easily one of the best things I've done. The people that are important will find other ways to reach out.
It reminds me of Facebook friends who are worthless
Pull the plug, you won’t look back.
Start a text group chat.
After much debate, we did .. On WhatsApp :/
Hey, you left reddit, didn't you? Do you miss that?
I have only used groups to ask questions. Do people still do that, go browse the Facebook feed? I thought that's a grandma thing
I got a Facebook again about 6 months ago so I could post our wedding photos for our friends. Before that I hadn't had a Facebook in like 5 years.
Here's a thought. Leave Facebook and spend more time with family and friends wether it be in person, on the phone or over text. You'll feel better for doing it and your family will be happy to hear from you. Deleted mine close to 10 years ago and have never had a desire to go back.
Probably the only time this year I'll agree with Zuckerborg.
He’s sucking upto Musk lol
They love small government and maximum Freedom until they want the government to restrict somebody's freedom.
I've remembered Babylon 5 season 4 today. Specifically the part where the "good" Vorlons and the "bad" Shadows started erasing the shit out of worlds inhabited by lesser races who made the wrong choice of having traces of the opposing side.
Point being, you are being sarcastic about Republicans and rightfully so, but Clinton administration is the one that introduced mass surveillance in the USA, and now in Syria CNN praises HTS (Sunni jihadis) and Fox News highlight SDF (secular socialists). Though from what I've read, apparently they really honestly talk to each other, which is a surprising kind of coexistence, HTS leader's words I took with scepticism, but SDF leaders too say they have no problem with HTS. HTS is a mix of ex-al-Qaeda and ex-ISIS, that's how strange this is.
OK, politics again.
On the subject - I think turning a non-profit into for-profit while not letting go of datasets and such, legally allowed to be assembled in the context of it being non-profit, is kinda theft. So Facebook is right here. Circumstantially of course.
OpenAI was a nonprofit?!?
It's a bit more complicated than that.
I think there's a for-profit part of the business and a non-profit part.
The non-profit part used to own the for profit with a majority stake afaik
let them fight
oh yeah, the "free" market
Why doesn't Meta want Open AI to be a for-profit company?
And are there any examples of a company that started as a non-profit becoming for-profit?
for profit would imply they can grow even faster due to having funds to expand its service. You would be against it if you plan on having your own competing AI service(which meta clearly does)
Meta has also released many top tier model to the open source community. To say "meta only oppose openai cuz they wanna create a service of their own" is quite frankely uninformed.
Meta is the reason so many researchers are able to work and make AI accessible to the everyday people. Without llama models, so much of research would not have been possible cuz openai never release their stuff under the guise of "safety".
Openai wants to monopolize and charge us whatever they want. And this going for-profit was part of their plan from the beginning. If only meta had not released their top tier models for absolutely free, openai would have had complete monopoly.
Also saying for profit structure would allow them to have more fund is like saying having a gun will allow a robber to have more funds.
The funds will come from consumers, for profit would mean they will have an easier time ripping off the people without too much scrutiny
This is short term view. In the longterm being for profit is a major detriment
It seems like besides Linux itself, most successful open source projects go for profit. When users don't like the changes, they fork and keep going.
Like MySQL going for profit with a sell out to Oracle and MariaDB becoming the most popular fork of MySQL.
Not true, many big open source projects stay open.
A good example… PyTorch. Which Meta funds.
They're all racing to build super intelligent AI. The first one to get there could essentially become God. So zelon and mark are desperately trying to buy time.