Ukraine, Palestine, Taiwan, anyone affected by climate change oh, and Americans.

God this sucks to watch from the other side of the world.

It sucks from the inside, too. I feel so hopeless the middle of all this insanity.
I can't do this again.
- I hope we'll be able to do this again. There are worse alternatives.
It’s going to suck here too, if that makes you feel any better.
Trust me, it also sucks to watch from inside America. The sane people did everything we could.
- Except vote.

Because so many people in the United States have elected to stab themselves - and EVERYONE else along with them - with a rusty knife, out of ignorant rage and lazy ignorance.

Don't forget South Korea. Do you really think America will be on their side this time around with Dump and Kim being kissing friends?

South Korea gets nukes in 3, 2, 1...
- Don't they already got all the technology in place and all they need is time?
Honestly at this point, in a 1 on 1 war between south and north, I'd wager on South. Will still suck super bad tho

One big difference between Hungary and the US are guns. It'll either can lead to a revolution much easier than in Hungary, or a Krystalnacht that is followed by the return of KKK-style lynchings.
For Ukraine, peace is not a real option. They can choose between war and being oppressed by Putin. And now, how they want to go out in history: in a war with glory, or under Putin's boot who tells them: "no, you're Russians, speak Russian". I refuse to call "ethnic cleansing" peace. At best, it's just the illlusion of such, because tanks are not crossing state borders.
Fascists like Trump choose their henchman based on loyalty, not skills. He will just get a lot of badly trained soldiers as basically meat shields.
- Not only that, but “peace“ deal with Putin will only benefit Putin, as it will give him time to regroup and improve his strategy, while the military aid to Ukraine stops. Then he’ll say: “oh shit! Ukraine is attacking us again! They broke the peace deal” and continue the invasion.
- Civilian gun ownership makes revolution more bloody, it doesn't give it any more chance of success.
On your last point - assassination of Trump could now be argued as self defense of your children.
For the EV part of the upcoming climate catastrophe …. If he’s successful at stopping growth of EVs, the biggest impact might just be the destruction of the Detroit based automakers. If they can’t compete in the rest of the world due to no EVs, there’s only so long they can stay in business selling coal rolling trucks to yahoo Americans

I live in Taiwan....good luck for all of us

- France and the UK still have nuklear weapons, I would think the rest of the millitary would be more of a problem.
  I would suspect both sides would not use nuklear weapons unless they get really desperate. So what is currently deturring Putin from attacking eastern europe is the thread of the reagular US millitary just kicking his ass and having no chance of gaining any land. But if it was just nato without the US he might gamble on them not using their nukes if he just takes, say northern Finnland, which he might think is feasable without US-troops.
- Do you live in a country that is part of the EU?
  If one member of the EU is attacked, the others will have to defend the country
This may be misremembering, but I thought I once heard of some people in Taiwan (a small, but vocal, number) liked Trump because of his "China Bad" rhetoric.
It's not quite as spicy from my side of the world (Australia), but I really do not like the idea of our closest military ally being controlled by a fascist.
Just seems like risky business, ya know?
I think Taiwan will be fine... for now. Trump is so Anti-China I doubt the US will drop its support. Eastern Europe however is basically fucked now
- Trump is also easily bought.
- He SAYS he is anti-china...there is a difference.

The most annoying thing over the next few years is going to be listening to:

"What happened to my helthcare?" "You voted for Trump who promised to take it away. " "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"Why are the prices of groceries so high?" "You voted for Trump who promised to deport all the illegal farm workers who picked your food for low wages." "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"Why did my daughter/wife/girlfriend/mother die in a hospital parking lot?" "You voted for Trump who promised to make life saving healthcare for women illegal nation wide." "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"What happened to the minimum wage?" "You voted for Trump who promised to lower it." "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"What happened to the Palestinians?" "You voted for Trump/voted for a third party candidate which allowed Trump to rise to power then he gave Netanyahu the go ahead to wipe them out." "But I didn't think that would happen to my family!"

Suck it up. This is your bed. You shat it in. Now lie there and be quiet. We're tired of your bullshit.

"Why did graphics cards quadruple in price?"
"You voted for Trump, who supported China steamrolling Taiwan, and now all of TSMCs foundries are bricked."
- I wonder if it's the US or Taiwan that donates the thermite grenades on the machines? If it's the US Trump might just order them not to donate them as a gift to Xi.
!leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world was revived at just the right moment
Unfortunately
Honestly, I think it'll be worth drilling the fact that it's the Republican Party, not just Trump. Otherwise, folks deep in the cult will just use the current figurehead as a scapegoat for everything wrong with the party without acknowledging that the party itself works against them.
They probably will, anyway, but it's worth a shot.
- This was a well executed decades long plan by the christofascists to turn the United States into a christofascist theocratic autocracy using the Republican party at a framework and vehicle and leveraging the fear, hatred, and ignorance of the heartland to do it. The only way to come back from this is to abandon any attempts to court the right and center and to design and execute a plan to take the country back from the fascists and oligarchs, to fix the courts, to fix the elections, to fix public educating and healthcare, to redistribute wealth, and to give the country back to the people, not just the rich, white, Christian, male people.

Enjoy president Vance America. Trump will die soon or will just Golf while Vance and his project 2025 people run the show

After trump impliments the worst of p2025 then his usefulness will end and the GOP will "save us from Trump's extreme position" with the 25th amendment and install Vance to oversee the infrastructure trump put in place.
It will fool the retarded American public, and they will praise the GOP for protecting them from the unforeseeable actions of trump being the next Hitler and ignore the fact Vance isn't removing what trump did...
Is it wrong that I'd be more ok with that happening that Trump putting in effort?

Oohh, totally forgot about Taiwan

So that will be a new Chinese provence within 4 years

Ukraine will be new Russian territory soon

Palestine will be new Israel soon

Man, the joy

Might wanna invest in cartography futures

Anyone darker than this in America --> ✋🏼

If it is of any solace, the global oligarchs will be safe and well through all that is about to unfold.

Palestinians were very much already in danger. Both sides in america are so tied to Israel that biden refused to stand up to bibi even while he was openly campaigning for trump

Simple reality is there's twice as many Jewish voters than muslim voters, and Jewish voters are more likely to vote Democrat. So ironically the best thing Biden could've done for Palestine was to not piss off the Israel crowd and cause Trump's election.
But maybe he'll stand up now that the election is over. Time to cut off the weapons. Long time coming. Make Trump reinstate weapons for Israel and see how that goes for him. You Palestine people need to push 10x as hard now as you did before the election. Something tells me you won't.
- The push will be harder now because dems and libs will suddenly realize it's an atrocity the instant trump gets in office. They'll flip from telling pro Palestine people to shut up to yelling the same things we've been yelling for a year but at trump because the person in power finally won't be on their team so they finally will allow for criticism of the president.
It's the difference between being in a burning building and being the same burning building while people throwing Molotov cocktails through the windows.
Both are dangerous but one is worse.
- In this case if you pick just the burning building then the group keeping you in that building are saying "we can't let you out of there but you better support us or the guys with the molotovs will show up"
  I understand that logically you'd pick option A but would you have enthusiastic support for the people keeping you trapped in the building?
  Candidates have to get people motivated to vote and "we won't do better but the other guy will do worse" is not motivating enough. We saw how that plays out yesterday

the asian news on pbs has some reactions on video. japan was interesting

No, I'm sorry, I just don't think Kamala is making Gaza the number one issue, which is why I think the only reasonable choice is to either not vote, or vote Stein.

edit: I cannot believe I have to add /s

Literally every fucking election they pull this same shit, and every fucking election WE FALL FOR IT LIKE MORONS!!!

The morons on the other side fall for "Trump is obviously a good Christian!", but we fall for this which is almost as transparent as "Hey, look over there!"

"We have the Palestinians and we have everybody else rioting all over the place. You talk about Charlottesville. This is one hundred times Charlottesville," Trump said during a presidential debate in July, equating pro-Palestinian activism with a 2017 attack by White supremacists in Virginia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/27/trump-israel-gaza-policy-donors/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/donald-trump-middle-east-foreign-policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/trumps-plan-quell-protests-deport-hamas-radicals-rcna166168
I hope you enjoyed your high horse. Because this might be the last Palestine protest you can effectively make.
- That's literally my point, the "muh protest vote!" is the kind of shit that always makes things worse. Republicans don't protest vote, they voted for a rapist felon.
Can't wait for the trump dictatorship aparratus to get started thanks to takes like this. Im sure Gaza will appreciate the sentiment all the same since trump has made clear his policies are even worse.
- That's literally my point if you can't tell sarcasm.
Sounds like "hey look over there" is exactly what you fell for
You will never be forgiven
Edit: with all we've seen sarcasm may be a little hard to detect
Not saying you are either a Russian or just a fucking idiot, but in my opinion someone that holds this view point, is either a Russian, or a fucking idiot. I repeat, this is not towards you, it is towards the Russians and fucking idiots that hold this view point.
- I'm literally saying so many people fell for the russian trolls, and now we're all fucked.
I’m not entirely sure what your point is, but I see third party votes are well under the margin between the two main candidates
You're getting downvotes because people didn't get far enough through your comment. I almost didn't.
I highly doubt that most people even considered Gaza issue when deciding who they vote for. It's mostly lemmy/farleft thing.
Sorry to piss on your parade but... Uh... Your attitude (the one behind the sarcasm) is the reason democrats lost this. That aside, at this point it's probably less about Gaza and more about Harris campaigning with the brainpower of a 5 YO. Like if Trump is winning this badly then yeah it was hopeless to begin with.
- Yup, my attitude is exactly why.
  Not the endless screaming voices of 'BoTh SiDeS!!!!!' and voting for anybody but stein is a vote for genocide, it was all me.
  Mwa ha ha, my evil plan has been successful, and I've finally enslaved the world's greatest superpower to a elderly rapist in a diaper!!!
  Fucking stupid children, I swear.

Do you guys seriously believe everything would be fine if he didn’t win?

The world was as fucked yesterday as it is today. You just didn’t see it on the news. Does it matter if the civilization ends a week earlier?

Does it matter if the civilization ends a week earlier?
Yes.
Could you be less of an accelerationist trope?
We fear it will be a decade or more earlier. We fear the difference between my children having a habitable environment and my children having to deal with ever increasing climate disasters. We fear losing human rights, consumer protection, any semblance of a safety net. We fear increasing polarity in what is already an untenable situation. We fear descending into chaos and tyranny, and taking parts of the world with us.
Do you guys seriously believe everything would be fine if he didn’t win?
Of course not, and nobody is saying that. But it would be better. Harm reduction is good even though we can’t actually ever fix the world.
Does it matter if the civilization ends a week earlier?
Um, yes? It’s safe to say that both you and I will die some day. I’d rather that be in 100 years versus tomorrow.
If it didnt matter, suicide rate would be much higher
People care if the civilization ends a week earlier
- Ech, tonight sucks but please don't make lemmy suck too.