Sennheiser Exits Gaming Headphone Business
Sennheiser Exits Gaming Headphone Business
Technically the successor owner of the gaming brand.
Epos has announced that it will be exiting the gaming headphone business and will instead focus on enterprise communications products. The company's gaming products...
I never understand why we need gaming headphones when normal headphones already do the job well.
It's mostly marketing and a built in mic. Ever since I got a mic on an arm and good headphones though, that's all I want to use.
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I personally just got a gaming headset for the first time. Before i had a cheap stand mic which due to space i had to place almost behind my screen. It picked up every little sound in the room. Keyboard typing sounds and mouse clicking were hearable a lot. Now with a mic actually on my headphones that issue doesnt exist anymore and people already mentioned that i sound way better. As for mics on an arm, do they need a lot of space?
Because "gaming" headphones often aren't "just" headphones. They are headsets with a built-in boom mic
And a boom-mic is often way better than a crap wire mic or bluetooth headphone non boom mic.
There are still the trash ones, but there are also very good ones.
And a built-in mic is extremely useful on multiple situations : console gaming, tight space gaming (no place for a mic), or when there is only a single port on a device (tho a splitter, or hub could be used for a jack port or usb). There is also the convenience of just having a mic.
The issue now with all these headsets being "gaming", is because of the marketing.
Some headphones brands have put mics on theirs, to make them headsets :
Beyerdynamic with the mx300 : the tight clamp makes it a bit of a no go for me. The mic is as just between ok and great. The voice is full, but there is a lot of noise in there from the reviews I saw.
Audio technica : they have multiple of them. Latest one the ath-m50xsts. It looks like a circum aural headset, but is not. It's a on ear headset with ear isolation like a circum aural. Which is pretty bad for me. Tho the mic is the best I've ever heard on a headset.
They are both wired only.
And other brands not marketing as "gaming" headsets are either extremely expensive with strange mics, or have most of their production budget into audio and they pair the headphone with a trash mic to make it a headset.
In gaming headset brands, there are multiple ones providing software, mic, and wireless features enhancing the experience of the user. For example low latency high bandwidth wireless (proprietary, wifi-like 2.4ghz) connexions only exist in gaming branded headphones/sets. (high bandwidth = higher than bluetooth for the same latency).
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More seriously, "gaming headphones" are almost always actually "gaming headsets", ie they have a mic. Good music headphones without a mic don't fulfil the requirements of quite a lot of gamers, and normal headsets are usually calibrated for voice and not immersiveness in games.
- Step 1: buy good headphones
- Step 2: get a separate mic
Just apply an EQ with more bass and done. Gaming headphones
So they finally realized "Gaming Headphones" are just headphones, great. 👍
Can we have sound cards again, now please?
We do have sound cards in the form of DACs at least
Not having to deal with a sound card driver anymore has been a highlight of my year. Just get a dac and amp
Can we have sound cards again, now please?
I'm happy with my FIIO, works great with my beyerdynamics and no separate driver needed
Epos make a couple of USB DAC/AMPs too, and the GSX 1000 is apparently reasonably well received. Haven't used one personally but it shows up on my Amazon recommendations occasionally.
It wasn't even Sennheiser, it was a company Sennheiser had licensed their name to.
It's really unfortunate that Sennheiser has diluted their brand so much. Between this deal with Epos and their consumer division going to Sonova, it's hard to tell what's actually still made by Sennheiser. I imagine it will become more evident as Sonova starts designing new products and they start to diverge.
Literal decades ago I bought Sennheiser headphones. They were great. They later orders of magnitude longer than anything I had before. They fit well, and were foldable, making them very compact when not used. And they were cheap too.
When they finally broke down I naturally wanted Sennheiser again, but they referred me to their new brand Epos. I bought a headset this time, not just headphones. It was a lot more expensive, and I was terribly disappointed by the ergonomics. It’s also rather big, making it unwieldy when not in use. And they broke already, though I was able to fix it - they broke just out of warranty of course.
Of course this is just one anecdote, but it really does feel like another great brand sold out and became crap.
I'm amazed it took this long, honestly. These are like gaming chairs: overpriced configurations with a combination of features that result in lower quality/durability when put together. I switched to a separate desktop mic years ago (paired with a fantastic set of Sennheiser headphones, coincidentally) and haven't looked back.
I highly recommend a dedicated mic. The low-end options are very affordable and you'll still sound way better on Discord (or Zoom calls!) than you will on a gaming headset mic or a webcam mic.
There's plenty of ease of use with headphones though, I got a pair of sennheiser gaming headphones and flipping up to mute is convenient.
yeah tbh I don't think the comparison to gaming chairs is 100% there. Everyone can benefit from a better office chair, but most people can't perceive the audio difference between a gaming headset vs dedicated audiophile headphones + dedicated mic. While it may be true that it sounds better, it's just not worth the extra hassle for most people. I have a wireless Arctis headset and the ease of use is unreal.
I disagree, unless it's the modmic, there are enough people who either don't have the space nor want to spend the money to properly place the mic (ie as near their face as possible). I'd rather they use some mediocre headset mic then place something that'd be otherwise decent like a Samson Go on a tiny tripod on the table next to their gaming keyboard, 20-30 cm away from their mouth.
There's a case for low latency wireless headphones, and it's pretty gaming specific. But yeah, they don't need the branding or any of that.
I'd still like to move to a dedicated condenser on a boom, but at least for the time being, the PC37X I bought off of Drop like 6 years ago still sounds great to both my ears & the other members in VC. Granted, the unit is starting to fall apart now (volume-dial adhesive failed, raise-to-mute works about 50% of the time, etc), so I need to replace it anyway...
Reading reviews of the pictured model, apparently they sounded like crap?
I mean, they're beautiful, and the magnet attached mic is inspired, but if they sound like garbage what's the point?
Yeah, some Chinese company bought the Sennheiser gaming headphone brand from Sennheiser, named themselves Epos and crapped out kinda meh products. Nothing worth carrying the Sennheiser name.
Me with my HD598s with a modmic and Bluetooth DAC zip tied to the headband:
Didn't Sennheiser get sold already
Kind of sad. I got some EPOS mic+phones for pretty cheap, albeit not as good value as just micless Sennies, and I think the space saving is actually really good. I barely have room for my mic, and it gets worse when I'm somewhere with very little desk space to work with. It seems very difficult to get something that combines all the needs of: flat frequency response and an adequate quality mic, very little by way of space requirements, and a not-outrageous price. I just fold the mic up and put it where I have space for my headset, ezpz.
I'm open to suggestions for replacements, of course.
One way would be to use small mics, like a lavalier mic.
Tho they are omnidirectional, and without noise cancellation. They also aren't as good quality as a big mic.
Another way would be to use something like the modmic from Antlion. They have different models, but all seem worse quality for the sound than the modmic 5 they discontinued.
I could recommend you beyerdynamics MMX 300, however the price might be the turning point for you. But getting them in a good B-sale is totally worth it in my opinion.
Edit: You can combine them with an Equalizer Software by downloading the wave file for the MMX 300 and applying it. I forget the name though. Something Something APO? They have a GitHub page if I am not mistaken.
Used to live by Sennheiser headphones
Then I discovered ANC headphones. Then my phone lost its headphone jack.
Until Sennheiser have an ANC BT headphone option to rival Bose or Sony, they have lost that market segment.
I'd rather they bring out some nice open back bluetooth headphones. Much better imaging, which is great both for music and shooters, and more comfortable for a lot of us. I just want the convenience of wireless, I don't need ANC.
Maybe Audeze will do it with a Maxwell stable mate.
I had a similar issue recently with not being able to plug my phone in to my car headphone jack so I bought a headphone jack to USB c cable. Works pretty well
I'm still waiting for a microphone that's coming out of a three to four pin mini-xlr adapter: Plug one side into the headphone, the other takes the cable (now with three instead of two leads (plus shielding/ground)), voila, a headset.
Also Sennheiser's build quality at the lower end it atrocious. Sennheisers priced in the same ballpark as e.g. AKG K240s might be a bit more neutral but you probably don't have the ears to notice and a) no replaceable cable b) you can't step on them and they'll be fine (K240s are what recording studios whip out when a punk band comes in with three crates of beer) and c) they fit like ass and the plastic creaks like a motherfucker.
(Also to be fair to make a K240 nice you'll have to invest what ~20 bucks into velour pads, and another 20 into a proper cable (the included one is shoddy and will break at the earliest opportunity. 15 for the connectors ("neutrik/rean or bust"), the rest for the actual cable, make it as long as you want impedance doesn't care. Plus maybe two connectors more to have a predetermined breaking point. Soldering iron not included. Also wash your fucking ear pads)
A lot of haters in this thread but the PC38X (and family of confusing names) has been me, my wife, and my friends go-to head sets for the last five or more years.
Decent price, quality, weight. Light enough to wear for hours without going sore, but sturdy enough not to snap.
The quick mute boom mic is awesome and my original G4ME ONE (Lol naming) came with a cheesy USB sound card with sidetone which is a great feature that I still try to get on dac/Amos today.
I will be pouring one out for my homie tonight.
PC38X is a reasonable headset, but I'm guessing Epos wanted higher margins but couldn't get them to stay in the business. As much cachet as the Sennheiser brand might have had, the gaming headset space is pretty competitive and there are plenty of decent headsets for not a lot of money.
Not really hating on it. It seems to be pretty good for the quality and price.
However it is presented by reviewers as having a very tight clamp, which is a huge pain me, wearing glasses...
It's also open back wich obviously (I hope), isn't adapted to everyone.
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I tried one after using the game one for years (open also) and they sounded absolutely horrible to me, very tinny. I tried them side by side and just stuck to my trusty game one instead....
Oh, I actually like my gsp 500 too :( it's lasted me for years, has a nice long cable, and gives decent audio quality after I got a pci-e audio card to boost levels. I've always preferred a combo headset over separate headphones and mics because it's less to juggle, but so many out there are cheap garbage. Guess I'll have to find a new solution whenever these die on me