Not exaggerating when I say this comic was the cultural version of a war crime

one of the times where "let people enjoy things" is valid

using it to kill discussion of [thing] because [thing] has become part of your identity, bad

using it because you are minding your own business trying to do [thing] and someone is being obnoxious, good

Reminds me of how fucking weird some people get about it if an adult reads YA books
Like yeah they're for teenagers, I don't read them myself, and I'm going to roll my eyes at anyone who insists they're every bit as deep and meaningful as books written for adults, and you deserve nothing but mockery if they're the lens through which you understand real-life politics, but the way some people talk about it, you'd think a YA book murdered their dog
- I think you're (unintentionally) framing this in a way that centres the adult-oriented books that you value more highly, to the exclusion of the ones that you don't hold in any esteem and that's a real trap that people can fall into.
  Let me put it in different terms to illustrate the point.
  Imagine if I told you that any adult TV show is more deep and meaningful than any children's/youth TV show. I'm sure that immediately you're thinking of the most trash-tier reality TV show and comparing it to a celebrated TV show which is aimed at a younger audience and you're thinking "Hang on a second... that's a flawed proposition" and you're right to think that. Not to mention there's a really good chance that you haven't even considered that infomercials are undeniably aimed at an adult audience nor considered the implications that this has for the argument.
  So, why is it different with books?
  There are some really shallow, vapid books aimed at an adult audience and there are books aimed at a younger audience which are deeper and more meaningful than a Harlequin romance novel or a Chuck Tingle novel for example (I'm making an assumption here - I've never read any Chuck Tingle before.)
  Of course this is all subjective and it's a matter of taste, but isn't that kind of the point?
  You could give The Yellow Wallpaper to a misogynist and they'd shrug their shoulders and be like "Women... amirite?" or you could give Things Fall Apart to a western chauvinist and they'd see little value in the book or you could give something like Infinite Jest or The Naked Lunch to a lot of people and they'd see no value or meaning in it.
  Likewise, books aimed at a younger audience are likely to be more meaningful to a young audience than The Old Man and the Sea is to an adult. And vice versa.
  But I'm not telling you off for having your own preference and for finding more meaning in the books you are drawn to. When it comes to how we make meaning and what value we place in art, this is something that is deeply personal and it's entirely subjective. There's no right or wrong and there's no objective better or worse in this experience, it's all simply a matter of preference and we should embrace this fact.
  You don't have to share in someone else's love for YA fiction, for example, but there's no need to try and impose your preferences on them either.
  With that being said if you're an adult and your frame of reference for politics is YA fiction, you're playing around in the shallow end because this is a matter of facts and not simply taste; if you use the Star Wars movies to inform your understanding of medicine then you should be prepared to have your opinions disregarded by medical professionals, and rightfully so. That doesn't mean you aren't allowed to have Star Wars as your favourite franchise. It just means that it has its place as art and that's where it belongs. The same can be said for fiction novels and politics (although I'm sure that someone's going to chime in with a good counterexample now that I've gone and made that my position.)
- Like yeah they're for teenagers, I don't read them myself, and I'm going to roll my eyes at anyone who insists they're every bit as deep and meaningful as books written for adults, and you deserve nothing but mockery if they're the lens through which you understand real-life politics
- the first hunger games book for example was actually pretty good. (although the series didn't really know where it was going from there)
I've noticed that people have a great deal of difficulty distinguishing between scenario 1 and scenario 2

Listen you might not like the comic but "let people enjoy things" is much less unpleasant sounding than "don't yuck someone's yum" because saying that phrase makes me feel a visceral disgust as it slides out of my throat like a thick ooze

"Let people enjoy things" is linguistic harm reduction

anyone whos ever said “sportsball” in earnest is a loser

Death to America

I hate sports, but yeah sportsball as a term is exactly the sort of faux-clever lib shit you see when people are talking about Trump as Cheeto Hitler or whatever
Death to America
- It's coming back around as based to me because of how mad it makes everyone. I'm going to go back to mocking sportsball because of this thread
People who don't like culturally normative thing are losers. Congrats, you're literally the stereotype of a high school bully.
- cringe post. there's a huge difference between not liking sports and being an insufferable "sPoRbSbAlL" dipshit. my post is very obviously about the latter group, not the former, and I don't appreciate you trying to collapse that distinction
  Death to America
If this were 15 years ago this take would be "anyone whos ever mocked sports in earnest is a f**"
You are reproducing the same thing as them, re-worded for 2023 hexbear
- cringe post. there's a huge difference between not liking sports and being an insufferable "sPoRbSbAlL" dipshit. my post is very obviously about the latter group, not the former, and I don't appreciate you trying to collapse that distinction
  Death to America

The sports fandom really can be toxic and overbearing. As much as I love some sports, the way it was always expected for me to give a shit about the local football or baseball team was obnoxious. Not to mention the excessive doting on sports, to the point that schools will slash their arts department and lay off teachers so the middling football team there can get more concessions.

The sports fandom
Love this phrasing
My city is currently facing a housing and homelessness crisis and each mayoral candidate keeps promising to build a new stadium without raising taxes because of the constant braying of the sports Fandom.
That is a uniquely american thing in part because America is the only country I know of that takes high school sports seriously and also don't seem to understand that the relevant costs for a sports team are: shoes, a ball, PE teacher salary, field someone will let you run in none of which should be breaking the bank
To be honest this is the real issue. People I know who say 'sportsball' are trying to mock how sports is not more important than all things, yet in some contexts seems to be treated as such. Unlike all other hobbies, sports gets ground into my face every day by Youtube ads and buses and TV and news etc. If chess got the same coverage and pushing into my face that sports did, I'd mock it just the same.
College and high school sports should just be some field out on campus, and the coach should just be the anthro professor doing it as a hobby or something.
- Do they have to be anthro? I dunno if we can find that many furries

sports haters are incredibly annoying and childish. critiques of how athletes are treated and the culture around sports are valid but "haha sporbsball amirite" makes me think you're never interacted with someone outside of the internet

Hard disagree on this one. In a vacuum, sports is a hobby like any other, and it's fine, if not my particular cup of tea.
But in practice, it holds a unique position of cultural hegemony, perhaps especially in America, in such a way that it is inextricably bound up with gender, patriarchy, race, labor and capitalism. I personally hate sports because people assume things about me based on what they think my gender is, and use it to police my gender.
- I have no problem with people enjoying sports. What i have a problem with is people having a problem with me not enjoying sports.
  Growing up i was always asked about sports and expected to care about them, enjoy watching them, and have something to say about them. My not caring was an unwelcome deviation from what people expected then, sometimes that necesitated an excuse for why it was okay and i always hated.
  I hope its not like that for people growing up today, and we're all just letting people enjoy things. As a kid the things i enjoyed weren't okay and it wasn't okay that i didn't enjoy sports.
- sports are fun and cool. what you hate is capitalism, not sports
  Death to America
- Yeah, here in Australia as well, the funding for sports is a giant black hole that sucks in and destroys funding for the arts and sciences (unless the science is how to sports better). Resulting in us having the lowest proportion of Arts spending of any developed country.
- I think it’s healthy to look at something like sports and, while recognizing it’s not harmful to society in and of itself, questioning whether it’s healthy that so much societal time, energy, and money is spent on it. I mean, there’s a not insignificant portion of Americans for whom sports is basically what they live for. I feel that way about Christmas, too. Is anything wrong with enjoying Christmas? No, of course not. Is it maybe an indication of something wrong in our society when for approximately 10% of the year, the culture seems to grind to a halt to make this one holiday the focus of our lives? Maybe, worth interrogating at least.
I don’t care for sports because I literally cannot comprehend emotionally or intellectually how one enjoys them
Umm sweaty have you considered that you’re stupid and childish? I love enforcing neurotypical normativity and belittling those who deviate from the norm! Why can’t you just be normal?
Sports fanatics are the most sensitive people on the planet and can’t handle others making offhand jokes about their obsession
Nah, fuck sportsball.
Sports bad
There WAS once a time in which people who only think about sports and only talk about sports, and get seemingly offended at people not following sports were more common. "Sportsball" was a necessary thing then. However, the term has outlived its usefulness, as sports fans tended to mellow out more, seemingly realizing they were cringe and learning from it, while the sportsball people became who the term was originally supposed to mock, but from the other end.
An even more problematic thing is that it also empowered chuds who are all "they shouldn't be paid so much because they just throw a ball and don't contribute to society". Motherfucker, one professional athlete contributes more to society than every landlord, CEO, and financier combined.
- The sportsification of education is still ongoing to this day. Sports culture in america is still cancerous and toxic and reactionary

Queer coded bad guy, speaking of sports and society enforcing gender norms

Not even "coded" really, overtly homophobic I would say
People forget the whole "sportsball" meme came about in the first place because before the widespread adoption of nerd culture in the 2010s sports was inescapable and forced on everyone. It's hilarious that sports fans act like victims when they get any light mocking or pushback to their total cultural hegemony and imposition on everyone else. If you were a man and didn't like sports you were mocked as gay (which was seen as socially damaging).
Let people not enjoy things

Fairly obvious that a lot of people's resentment towards sports comes from simply not being good at it in school and getting picked last for the team or whatever. It's like the inverse of people hating on nerds, where it's obvious that they hate nerds because they were never good at math in school.

I wonder how old people with takes like this are.
If you grew up before 2010 and nerd culture you would realize that liking sports was not optional. You were mocked as gay. You couldn't keep up in small talk with your boss and would get passed over for promotion. It was mandatory to watch sports or you would be stigmatized. There was eventually pushback to that hegemony via the "sportsball" meme and mocking sports for being silly. Everyone seems to have forgotten how oppressive and toxic American sports culture was (and continues to be, schools are still getting gutted to make way for more football shit. Stadiums are still built with slave labor. Now it just makes you a "loser" instead of a "f**" to hate sports but the toxic masculinity underlying it is still there as you can see even in this thread)
- for growing up with same shit i did. I hope that it has changed enough for people to not get it, but i kind of doubt its changed that much. Just unexamined patriarchy
My resentment towards sports comes from being good at sports as a kid, so I got a ton of pressure from a bunch of boomer dads, sucking any fun that once existed out of sports for me. I nonetheless kept playing sports until middle school (because I was scared of my dads reaction if I didn’t want to play sports anymore) when the pressure started coming from my peers in addition to my parents and coaches. There was so much pressure on us to be good at sports that kids would thrown tantrums and get in fights if they lost a pickup basketball game. If I wanted to goof off a bit or just not try so hard just playing pickup basketball I’d have a couple of my “friends” start yelling at me giving me shit for trying to have a little fun. The atmosphere around sports was so toxic, I remember the fights and the arguments when some of us made the school basketball team and others didn’t. By 7th grade I had enough of an independent streak (and was sick enough of my “friends”) that I quit baseball tryouts halfway through. My dad didn’t speak to me for like 2 months after that.
I wish I had stuck with sports I really do (and I wish I didn’t quit just to do drugs all day in high school) but when everyone around you is a toxic asshole who sucks all the fun out of it it’s hard to. I like competition, but when you have kids breaking down crying and throwing tantrums when they lose a simple pickup game I think it’s gone too far. Sports culture is extremely sick in the United States and “sportsball” is a cringe term, but sports culture deserves most of the hate it gets.
- Sports parents are truly the worst. The only good famous one that I can think of right now is Antony Hamilton. And even then, Lewis Hamilton still had to let go of him as his manager in 2011.
I think most people's resentment for sports, if you asked them, comes from their connection to gender norms, and how kids who aren't interested in sports are treated by society as freaks who need to be policed into liking the appropriate gender coded activities. I suppose that also extends to people who for whatever reason weren't fortunate to be good enough at sports that they were picked last.
Either way the issue isn't that they werent good at it or weren't interested - its the gendered stigmatization that comes with it.
Perhaps that's changed or isn't as extreme now as it was. But, most peoples issue that grew up when i did comes from the reaction from society at large for not liking the enforced gender coded thing and being told whatever we liked instead was stupid or wrong and that we needed/were expected to like sports instead.
I'm not fond of them because I never grew up with it and I don't understand having loyalty to a random North American city over another one. I don't watch much TV to begin with so that's another big barrier.
To your school point, I wish there had been more non-competitive alternatives. I thought I hated physical activity until I realized you can go portaging or on long bike trips, and work with your peers in an extensive environment instead of being pitted against them in a very mechanized ruleset on a very small court.
I love pushing my body to new limits and travelling ambitious distances in the woods. And now I'm not against a good game of ultimate or whatever with some buddies, but sitting down to watch "the game" is one of the most frightfully boring ways to spend an evening that I can think of.
- I can watch a game especially in person, but the thing that really makes me wither and die is when people talk about the fucking probabilities of the success of teams over the course of the season and fucking picks and shit.
  I thought it was because I just wasn't interested in football or whatever. But that's not it.
  I really like video games and I often love watching someone playing a game in a fun or skilled way. But when someone starts talking about the fucking bracket some esports team made it to, I want to claw my fucking ears off. I don't care! Holy shit! If any of those games were a good watch, send me the vod or whatever. But don't talk to me about who's gonna win IEM Katowice or whatever. Fuck! What could be less interesting???
thats fucking ableist
- Are you mad or just blowing your referee whistle?
Everyone has treats that they're biased towards and treats that they're biased against. In the end, I don't see how one set of treats (sports) is noticeably more harmful than another set of treats (movies, games, anime, YA novels). You could argue that a particular sports fandom like American football is very obviously more reactionary, fascist, jingoistic, and in general terrible than other sports fandoms or fandoms period, but sports as a whole? It's pop culture, and in a reactionary society, pop culture will always be some shade of reaction. Pop culture is a key component of the superstructure that socially reproduces reaction. You can't escape it.
I personally don't tap into pop culture these days, partly for the reason above, partly because I don't really get personal fulfillment out of pop culture, and partly because I realized that even if you share the same taste in pop culture as someone else, it doesn't actually help you socially and emotionally connect with them, so why bother? But I'm not going to stop rolling my eyes at some weeb or gamer making the same "sportball" joke while they gush over some slice-of-life anime or AAA game that nobody, including them, would remember in a year.
- I don't see how one set of treats (sports) is noticeably more harmful than another set of treats
  Lmao. My high school in town just laid off 10% of the teachers in the same year they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on new turf for the stadium. Sport culture in America is extremely toxic and harmful and has destroyed public institutions and education. Public education systems are being gutted and replaced with footballs. YA novels don't do this.
- But I'm not going to stop rolling my eyes at some weeb or gamer making the same "sportball" joke while they gush over some slice-of-life anime or AAA game that nobody, including them, would remember in a year.
  That's pretty much it yeah.
  I realized that even if you share the same taste in pop culture as someone else, it doesn't actually help you socially and emotionally connect with them, so why bother?
  I have the complete opposite experience. Formed quite a few friendships and even relationships by starting from common interests, like say talking about soccer. It's a good ice breaker. Even if you go outside of sports, were only on hexbear due to our shared interest in left wing politics.
If you werent a jock you were a target. My frjend group gad death threats against us during school and tge jocks were exempt from consequencez because they needed them for the "big game" 🫠
I was good at neither and yet I only dislike sports today. Organized, big league broadcasted on TV sports I should say. I just do not care about it, or talking about it, or it taking time on the news every day. There are few tings that matter less to you and me then who won the ballgame yesterday. It's pointless.
- Not caring about it makes perfect sense, but its still entertainment to a lot of people, so them talking about it also makes sense.
  Now Ultras, yeah that goes way too far.
neither nerd nor jock

Sports fans have it so hard! 😞

I can't tell you how much growing up as a "guy" in America made me hate sports
- Are you me?
  The entire reason i hate sports is because of the gendered bullshit that meant it was okay for people to assume and expect or demand that i like sports, and whatever i did like was stupid because it wasnt sports. No one was stepping in telling people to a let literal child enjoy things
They always do seem to be upset about sports.
Sports fans are the most socially disadvantaged minority in the US. Imagine waking up every day and everyone wants to talk about the exact same thing that happened last night that you also want to talk about. There's no bars or churches anywhere that you can't find someone to tell you the highlights and minutia of last night's events that you want to talk about or you missed and want to get caught up.
- is this a situation you regularly encounter at church or at a bar?
Leftists who sort of follow a sport are the most oppressed minority
truly the most oppressed majority

Apparently, the author of this comic has retracted it, views it like an inventor or scientist who sees their creation as gone horribly wrong.

A modern day Oppenheimer

https://youtu.be/pQtSdsR1-H8?si=Ut-6O_eyDci1N1jS - "Wealthy people profiting off the physical misery of mostly minorities - what could be more all-American than that?"

on the other hand sportsball is also used to criticise non evil sports like basketball, soccer etc
- soccer
  fifa uses fucking human trafficking to build stadiums, all of the sexual assault stories, refusing to pay women fairly.
  basketball
  college basketball still steals MILLIONS from mostly poor black teens and young adults. your face can be sold on a shirt that makes millions and you make no money and you probably never will. there is also a culture of player abuse around basketball. and you still have a sport that reduces people to their bodies and if those bodies have opinions they are told to shut up and play. and they still also refuse to pay women and stop assaulting them. stadiums still take millions of taxpayer dollars.
  i dont care about your local adult sports team or a pick up game, but sports under capitalism is destructive to the bodies, minds and lives of millions of black and brown children. nothing is as bad as football and boxing but these companies are no less "evil"
- sportsball represents all sports, not just American football.
  Also those are equally as evil

Ohhh hey, you watchin' some 9/11? How's the stupid 9-

Y'all didn't learn from FFX that big sports events give the masses in a shitty world a reason to feel happy and cheer for a bit.

And also a racist soccer player will help kill god.

big sports events directly make the world more shitty so its a self perpetuating feedback loop
education systems destroyed, slums bulldozed, slave labor for stadiums, corrupt fifa deal, millions of injuries, etc.
Also he's gonna do it with his fuckin soccer ball because fuck subtlety
Blitzball is awesome.
Although, after Sin was defeated they ended blitzball for J-Pop girl group performances and everyone seemed pretty happy about it
racist soccer player
Hey! He gets better! ANd its like, the best handled "bigot redemption arc" story in fiction lol.
- Yeah I legit love Wakka.
- Does John DiMaggio's accent get any better?

This comic is so cringe it feels like a strawman

- But what if I enjoy being a hater?

Liberalism: willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.

Letting people enjoy things is literally liberalism. After the revolution, everyone will be compelled to enjoy and dislike the things that I, he One True Socialist, enjoy and dislike.

I think the synthesis here is that yes sports are dumb. So is dungeons and dragons. Adults can like dumb things, just acknowledge they are not serious and are for playing around.

no this comic is a war crime because people fill in the sportsball speech bubble to make the character criticize their shitty unexamined reactionary treats. For (an extreme) example:
"oh hey, you enjoying blackface cartoons from the 1930s again? That's pretty messed u-"
"shhhh let people enjoy things"
we dont have a system that destroys the bodies of millions of child minorities trying to save themselves from poverty via dnd. no one is getting injuries in their brain that leads to them taking their own lives. theres no history of making slaves play dnd for white peoples entertainment. no local town politics are based around dnd. wizards of the coast doesn't have the American government by the balls. no dnd college player is getting cheated out of millions of dollars their labor earned, while also working minimum wage job to keep the lights on. we smash black children's brains together till its a fine goo that is not playing around.
- I also struggle to think of any DnD campaigns that caused mass rioting, or a statistically significant annual spike in domestic violence.
In theory, yes. In practice, I don't think anyone has ever had their school program defunded so that the school can buy new Dungeons and Dragons books.
Is D&D packed with ads every 15 seconds? Are there D&D betting apps D&D enjoyers are pushed to gamble with? Do DMs start sessions jerking off the US military with giant flags and the burger national anthem?
- Please don't give WotC more fucking ideas
  On a more serious level I think people are confusing sports (exercise based games) with sports (organised large scale leagues) that's muddying the waters. Enjoying a kickabout with your mates is no worse than playing D&D with them, it's once you've got fanbases that the problems develop - just look at how ads are working into many D&D shows.
- If you can bet on WWE matches, you should be able to bet on D&D campaigns
- Is D&D packed with ads every 15 seconds?
  Is there a Game of Thrones expansion for basketball? I don't like sports leagues generally, but let's not kid ourselves.
Has D&D helped gut and destroy the American educational system? Has it given millions of young people brain concussions? Does it use slave labor to make stadiums? Is the highest paid state employee a D&D DM?

I watch 0 sports and the terms sportsball makes me angry. To the point I've thought about a gamer equivalent to throw back. Closest I can think of is controllertoy

Just tell them to go play on their Nintendo. They get real mad when you misgender their consoles
Video games are even worse than sportsball.

I think the Sealion comic is similarly harmful and annoying, but less prolific.

"Sealioning" is almost as bad as "whataboutism." I've seen the comic and I still have no idea what it's supposed to mean - is it when you call out racism instead of letting it go unchallenged? And this is presented as a bad thing, for some reason??
You can't just make up words and use them to denounce things that are legit.
- whataboutism
- From what I remember, the comic was made during the height of Gamer Gate and made popular to call out Gamers who would basically demand citations for the bad or lacking representation or depictions of minorities in gaming or other issues
- I thought it was about verbally affirming civility long past the point where it's become clear that the interaction is hostile. I feel like the sealion is justified, but would be better served with a, "Fuck did I just hear you say about sealions, you piece of shit?"
The term "sealioning" was primarily used against anti-SJW chuds by feminists so I disagree it was a bad addition to the discourse. If its used against leftists I've never seen it.
- I happened across this just now
  https://lemmy.world/comment/3641649

Let people enjoy war crimes

Wait no

First of all how dare you

There is a lot of unexamined

in this thread.

I'm not defending the use of the term "sportsball", of course its cringe its from like over 10 years ago. And there is nothing inherently wrong with sports, playing sports, or watching sports. They can be fun.

For me personally, i grew up hating sports, because i had no real interest in them yet they were used by society to police gender. I hated and resented that sports were what i was "supposed" to like, expected to like, and maligned for just not liking. I was not allowed to "just enjoy things", what i liked was stupid, a waste of time.

What I really hate and am upset by is the patriarchy of course, not sports themselves. I recognized that now that I'm older. As i kid, i only understood it as hating sports. But while i can delineate between the two, its also impossible not to notice how bound up sports, patriarchy, an gender policing are.

I think its important to keep that in mind when someone dislikes sports and criticizes its manistream and hemegonic acceptance as the default male gendered interest. Its not just a hobby, its bound up in America's enforcement of gender.

I hope its not as extreme as when i was younger, but i doubt it has gone away entirely. Either way, its pretty depressing to see dissmissive takes in this thread and not seeing any expression of self crit on these issues

I didn't intend to start a sports struggle session ITT (mostly I saw people using this comic about like YA books and Marvel movies tbh), and that's very funny to me
But yeah some people should do some self crit if they think disliking sports as it currently exists is loser behavior or whatever. However annoying you find hating sports, it's not even a millionth of how annoying sports actually are.
Death to America also means death to sportsball
- No one ever intends to start a struggle session*. Its unexamined reactionary thought that requires one to happen.
  *exception see: LiberalSocialist

heyyyy i’m high too

Ireland stays winning (as usual)

Gaelic football and hurling are the only good sports. There are no professionals, the highest level of the game is played entirely by amateurs with full time jobs. The players can only play for their local team, there are no transfers.

Tbh it's what organized sports should be. The local club is the heart of just about every small town.

Me and my friends dreamed up our ideal sports league and its just this! I had no idea a league like this existed!
holy fuck thats AMAZING
That sounds so cool!!!
My rotten american mind is blown by the very idea of sports being done this way as a community

If y'all are going to struggle session you could at least try to have fun while doing it.

I don't get it.

I'm genuinely very happy for you
I never saw the whole thing before. If this is the whole strip, it is crazy that people post a section that fbthis when it doesn't actually make an argument at all. I'm surprised.

Some of y'all never witnessed student athletes get preferential treatment from teachers and administrators while those same students bullied you and it shows.

This actually doesn't even match my experience that well (teachers usually liked me, in highschool at least, and not all my bullies were athletes and in fact some jocks were rather nice to me) but I have heard horror stories from my friends at schools that sucked a lot more about stuff like this.

Is it necessarily rational to let out the aggression from that bullying trauma on sports in general? No not really. Is having some irrational opinions because of your bullying trauma kind of understandable? Yes. Is bullying trauma real trauma that the internet often treats as something petty that you should "just get over"? Also yes.

It seems there is a whole cultural american background to the term “sports” that I just dont get so I will just repeat what my friend said the other day:

“If you arent yearning for Marcelo Bielsa to coach your team you are a fascist”

liking sports isn't homophobic, but trying to keep me from being a hater is

I dont play or watch soccer. But its a lot of fun to grill while hearing a friend tell stories about smuggling beer to the stadium or kidnapping an oposing teams mascot. Sports should be a social activity you do with your friends, if you only focus on the millionates kiking a ball you are missing all the fun. i think thats the reason a lot of you dont get it.

I used to sail when i was younger(a 9 ft craft that was worth about 500 usd) and while atmitedly quite relaxing and enjoiable it was a one man boat. Maybe i could get someone else to join me if they were ligthweigth. So i never devveloped the sort of nostalgia about sailing people have about soccer.

However i did went to and hosted a few lan parties and even if age of empires and warcraft are objectvley not the best games there is a certain nostalgia atached ti them due to the social experience of lans.

I dont play soccer because were i grew up it was 50+ c outside for most of the year.