[Followup] Deputy charged with murdering Black woman allegedly told partner not to give aid
[Followup] Deputy charged with murdering Black woman allegedly told partner not to give aid
Sangamon County Deputy Sean Grayson is accused of shooting and killing 36-year-old Sonya Massey after she called 911
Prosecutors alleged that when Grayson and his partner responded to Massey’s home, Grayson allowed her to move a pot of water heating on the stove, but as she set it on a counter, Grayson then “aggressively yelled” at Massey over the pot and pulled his 9mm pistol.
Massey then asked what the deputies were doing, to which Grayson responded, “Getting away from your hot, steaming water.”
“I rebuke you in the name of Jesus,” Massey said twice, according to the documents reviewed by NBC News.
Grayson responded, “I swear to God. I will shoot you right in your f------ face.”
When Grayson drew his service weapon and ordered her to drop the pot, she let go, then crouched below a line of cabinets, and declared “I’m sorry” before being shot in the face, prosecutors said.
Grayson did not render aid to Massey and discouraged his partner from getting his medical kit because he thought her injury was too severe, according to the court document filed in support of keeping Grayson in custody without bond.
Grayson had been with the Sangamon County Sheriff’s Department about 18 months after serving as an officer with several other police agencies in central Illinois for about seven years before that.
Im going to go out on a limb and say that maybe he had a pattern of behavior that caused him to precinct hop that instead should have led to his being banned from being a cop in the first place. So if I were the lawyers for the family, I’d be looking there and adding other policies agencies to the list being sued.
do people become cops because they know they're too fucking stupid to do anything else? or just because it means they get to shoot black people? or because they have a severe inferiority complex?
Applicants can be legally rejected for having too high IQ. Wouldn't want the piggies to become self-aware.
that doesn't surprise me in the slightest
D) All of the above
Pigs are just a fraternity, intellect has zilch to do with any function of their agency. Most are in it because they think it makes them look cool. Others join because it makes them feel powerful and superior to others. Then there are genuine evil people, like the above shitbucket, who wear the badge specifically to hold the firearm.
Even the ones that join to protect their "community" are, more often than not, passively protecting a status quo instead.
Let's not forget the extra-added bonus of "Badge Bunnies/holster sniffers" if you're into that sort of thing
Yes.
I had considered joining the police here in the UK. The pay is okay, the pension is fantastic, and it felt like something you'd do to help people. For all the shit police get, when you're in a horrible situation like a family member dying at home, or a violent break-in, having the police there to help pick the pieces up and guide you can be great.
The problem is that the reality of the job is endless paperwork, having hardly any training for the job that you do, having a public that (rightly) hates you, and you're put in positions that you can't really win.
IMO the police shouldn't be defunded. They should get far more funding, in return for FAR more training. Their unions should be responsible for ensuring their members are fully trained and able to act on their training, leaving the role if they can't. Those that can't keep up should be retrained in other fields, like mental health work, the law, or social support.
But to answer your question, I think those that don't join the police see the hypocrisy of joining a force that actively does the opposite of what you want the police to be. Those that do are ignorant to it, or apathetic to its presence (e.g. not all cops).
Defund the police generally means two things, first cut the police budget to essential police functions only, and second build a new agency in its place.
The problem is the entire cat and mouse model of policing. In that model, it's nobody's job to address the causes of crime. That's where we should be spending money, not chasing people that already did a crime.
E: I don't fully believe that all police agencies in America traced their lineage to slave patrols, as some modern thinkers say, but when they say that what they mean is that the cat and mouse model of policing in America arose from slave patrols. Defund police means to abandon catch and capture policing in favor of a model of prevention and protectection.
Obviously, essential police functions sometimes include sending armed men to capture dangerous bad guys. That function of policing will never go away.
I considered becoming a cop before ACAB was a popular slogan, and my reasons for considering it were: 1. Good pay 2. Good benefits 3. Less likely for people to pick a fight with you 4. Complimentary access to a good gym
My motivations had nothing to do with starting fights, escalating fights, discriminating, intimidating regular people etc. Maybe that's why I didn't go for it.
ACAB dates back to the 1920’s and has been a popular slogan since then. The trope of cops being dumb, corrupt, and sadistic dates back to at least the 13th century (Sheriff of Nottingham, etc).
There’s no way anyone goes into law enforcement and is surprised by what cops are unless they come from a police family and are brainwashed from a young age. I just don’t buy it.
Piece of garbage.
This was a fucking execution.
Wow, loss of life over hot water. What the fuck 😤
Collosal snowflake
That's why he was scared of the hot water. She could have melted him!!!
Hot water is one thing. Boiling water can kill or ruin the rest of your life. Things that can do that are considered deadly weapons and cops can legally (and I might argue morally) defend themselves from that deadly threat.
It never hurts to just ask someone to step away from it instead of shooting them in the face immediately.
Remember, she called them for help. There was absolutely no reasonable expectation of hostility that would justify self defense of any kind.
He really just wanted to murder with impunity.
"Mmmmmmn... boot, so delicious."
- you right now.
So is everything. Everything can kill you if used correctly. They had the same odds of being suffocated by a pillow if she had been doing laundry--because she was an innocent person who called the police for help, and she was just trying to be safe. And she got shot in the face, and you're arguing that the police were justified for shooting her in the face.
What is wrong with you?
Removed, defending the cops is the one thing not allowed here.
"But County Circuit Judge Ryan M. Cadagin decreed that Massey, weighing about 110 pounds, posed no threat to the 6-foot-3, 228-pound Grayson, who was armed and accompanied by another deputy, and after shooting her refused to render aid."
This isn't in the summary above, bit the article says Massey called the police about a prowler, that's why they were there.
Then they showed up and shot her.
Both cops made so many mistakes here. Obviously Grayson just shouldn't be a cop nor own a weapon, but it's also clear that these 2 haven't had any training.
All cops are stupid reactionary cowards who have a superiority complex exacerbated by the fact that they are just cognizant enough to know that they are stupider than people around them.
I hate that Hollywood propaganda has build cops up as heroes. They are bullies or cowards all of them.
The guys partner if he was a true hero wouid have immediately tased this animal and arrested him.
All cops are stupid reactionary cowards who have a superiority complex exacerbated by the fact that they are just cognizant enough to know that they are stupider than people around them.
I feel like we could shorten that to way less words... maybe an abbreviation that people would recognize. ;)
“I swear to God. I will shoot you right in your f------ face.”
What is it with these sort of cops talking like this. It’s one thing if it was an actual perp who might have a weapon and moving for one, wild shit may come out your mouth but at someone’s house while they have a kettle? The actual fuck. Like isn’t it a literal line out of super troopers??
Also, the hell are cops with skull tattoos on their forearm doing wearing a uniform. Get some admission standards or just any standards for your police force already god damn.
This is all of them. This is who they are now.
Because people with skull tattoos are obviously bad guys. There are documentaries about that. Or was it bad action movies? Ahhh same thing apparently
That’s pretty obviously, not what I mean. I have tattoos so I understand their meaning can span beyond basic symbolism. That said cops here can’t have certain tattoos or tattoos above their collar. I would imagine that having a pile of skulls tattooed on your forearm may (or at least should) detract from your chances at a job that’s public service based. Shit there are jobs that don’t trust you with a gun that you’d probably not get.
What the fuck is wrong with some people?
The article says they are releasing the body cam video today, so that should be pretty condeming if this story is accurate.
They've charged him with murder (as is also in this very headline), so it would be a little surprising if the cam showed anything else.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sonya-massey-death-illinois-deputy-173536807.html
The article says they are releasing the body cam video today, so that should be pretty condeming if this story is accurate.
Sure is.
https://apnews.com/article/illinois-police-shooting-911-murder-7a1b433183933ca94f266c0f90753a33
The video from body cameras shows a tense moment in which former Sangamon County Sheriff’s Deputy Sean Grayson yelled at 36-year-old Sonya Massey to set down a pot from the stove just seconds after she started pouring the water into the sink and the two giggled over her “hot steaming water.” He then threatens to shoot her, Massey ducks then briefly rises and Grayson fires his pistol at her three times.
Grayson tells her to give him her ID. Then he points to the kitchen for the other deputy to check on the stove. “We don’t need a fire while we’re here.”
Massey goes to the kitchen and after she and Grayson share a laugh, she says, “I rebuke you in the name of Jesus,” and asks him a question.
“You better (expletive) not or I swear to God I’ll (expletive) shoot you in your (expletive) face.” He then pulls his 9mm pistol and says “Drop the (expletive) pot.”
Massey says, “OK, I’m sorry.” In Grayson’s bodycam footage, he pulls the gun and when she ducks, she raises her hands and it looks like she has the red pan in her hands. But Grayson is still in the living room, facing Massey, behind a counter dividing the living room and kitchen, 10 or 15 feet away.
The other deputy, who is not named, said “I’m gonna go get my kit.”
Grayson said, “No, it’s a headshot. She done. You can go get it, but that’s a headshot ... there’s nothing you can do, man.”
He added: “What else do we do? I’m not taking hot (expletive) boiling water to the (expletive) face”
Noting that Massey was still breathing despite losing a lot of blood, he relented and said he would get his kit too. The other deputy responded, “We can at least try to stop the bleeding.”
Speaking to responding police, Grayson told them “she had boiling water and came at me, with boiling water. ... She said she was going to rebuke me in the name of Jesus and came at with boiling water.”
that should be pretty condeming if this story is accurate.
Ah - yep.
Lmao this is so fucking pathetic and unsurprising.
And to think... come this November, you might have one of these pigs for president.
The article I saw right above this one was "Donald Trump says he'd like to take Kim Jong-un to a baseball game, as he brags about their friendship"
So yeah, we don't have a lot of options.