Hmmm disagree. If someone's politics are violence, and they have a serious path to enacting them, it's self defense. Self defense is generally acceptable.
I don't want to politely walk into a concentration camp because a bunch of people in states I don't even live in voted to exterminate the queers and their friends.
Also anyone who's going to say "Gay marriage is violence against society" is an asshole and wrong. Anyone who says abortion is murder but isn't doing jack fuck to help living humans is not worth listening to. Just to preempt the "well they think the same about you!" nonsense.
Let's not forget, trying to remove access to health care is an act of violence that will cause people to die. Restricting access to women's health alth care is an act of violence that will cause people to die. Outlawing gender affirming care is an act of violence that will cause people to die. Appointing judges to support these policies - and those judges writing opinions enabling those policies as well as opinions restricting environmental regulations - are acts of violence that will cause people to die. Locking migrants in cages is an act of violence that leads to people dying. So why are those acts of violence acceptable but this one is not?
You might say that none of them are acceptable. But let me put it another way. Law enforcement shot and killed the perpetrator of this act of violence and we as a society deem it reasonable and justified. But why shouldn't we do the same thing for this guy?
His political adversary doesn't think it's unacceptable. He led several thousand people to Congress to lynch the vice president after he lost the election.
The world would be better off without people like Trump in it. I get that we don't want to be like them in espousing violence against people we don't like, but at the same time when you have a person who objectively will make the world a more dangerous and unstable place, along with effecting actual harm against the citizens of his own country, you can only be so tolerant.
Somebody who only speaks violence will not respond to peaceful methods. I'm not excited by the prospect of violence but we also can't just let ourselves be trampled because of some misguided notion that "Well, they decided on violence, there's nothing we can do because violence back would make us worse 🤷♂️"
I loved it when America did political violence on German soldiers. Today's shooter is a patriotic hero engaging in America's most noble pastime, shooting Nazis.
Ingonna be honest. Trump is a danger to democracy and to the world as a whole. Eliminating him would be a contribution to democracy. However, if you decide to go for him, make sure hes really dead. If he just gets hurt that's a Hufe win for him, because he then can use this attack to deploy a massive anti democratic campaign giving him more Attention.
However, violence should be the lädt option. There are other ways to defeat fascism. Make it possible that the average person can have a good life and don't copy fascists points. In the case of Trump the USA also missed its chance to ban him from the elections.
Sad. The only appropriate response is to tell Trump and his GOP toadies to get over it. This is the situation they created. This is the natural consequence of reactionaries and lax gun control. They shat this bed and they absolutely deserve to drown in it.
If politicians decides politically to use the military for violence against anyone or anything, is that political violence? And if yes, does that means there is legal political violence?
Even though I disagree with Bernie on a lot, he is a class act. This is absolutely the correct response. It shows that he has moral integrity and stands by his principles
People love to talk big, but when someone actually takes action against a self declared actively power seeking fascist (I'm not entirely convinced anyone was actually shot today, or that it wasn't a hired sniper doing exactly what they were paid to do - miss), they run back to authority with their tail tucked firmly between their legs.
Fuck this bullshit.
Political violence has actively and continuously been enacted by white supremacist patriarchal capitalists against the working class and marginalised people for centuries. Fighting back in self defence isn't what's unacceptable.
Lets say he was shot, the only problem anyone claiming to be an antifascist should have with it, is that the shooter missed.
When people tell you who they are, no matter how "lovable", you better listen.
Look in his defence
He is also a politician and doesn't want to be shot
And even if he was for political violence it would be terrible press for him to say it
Look Bernie, you would have been a great president but cut the crap.
Political violence was unacceptable because he is white in a western country. He's a clear danger to the states, global stability, human rights and environmental progress. If he was in Iraq 4 countries would have already tried.
Welp, maybe the DNC will let him be president yet in 10 years for spewing nonsense like this. Billionaires running a country IS political violence, even Biden is letting corporations price gouge us and Israel commit genocide
If you are in this thread hand-wringing over how this is going to rally the right and make trump a martyr, fuck right off. Man up and be ready to defend the righteous act of violently pushing back against goddamn fascist fuckwads. Violence is THE ONLY REASONABLE RESPONSE. If you think it isn't, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.
Lot of tech workers in here who claim to deeply need political violence, while also being unable to leave their own home for a job or to pick up groceries.
Well staging an assassination on yourself going as far as using a movie blood capsule on your ear, but then taking it too far and make it obvious by doing an impromptu photo op under the flag is not actually the type of political violence we should condemn.