1y ago

'Before marrying Melania in 2005': What new documents claim about Trump-Epstein

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'Before marrying Melania in 2005': What new documents claim about Trump-Epstein - Times of India

This is not being reported in the U.S. news media. Maybe you can argue it's because it's July 4th, but if this doesn't come out in a major way tomorrow, I guess the fix is in.

"Trump’s name appears over and over again on Jeffrey Epstein’s message logs in the grand jury docs released this week. It is also undisputed: Trump’s name appears 7 times on Epstein’s private jet flight logs, that Epstein flew on Trump’s jet with a young girl of indeterminate age, girls who Epstein trafficked worked at Mar-A-Lago, a girl Epstein trafficked mentioned visiting Trump’s casino in a recently released deposition transcript. Trump said Epstein is a great guy who likes girls on the younger side, Trump frequently “partied” with Epstein, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell well at her criminal trial, and someone who testified under the pseudonym JANE DOE at the Ghislaine Maxwell criminal trial stated that she was introduced to Trump by Epstein when she was 14 years old," a user posted on X.

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1y ago

(No US sources found) 'Before marrying Melania in 2005': What new documents claim about Trump-Epstein

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Since the Heritage Foundation just overtly declared war on American democracy, complete with a thinly veiled threat of violence and bloodshed, it's just that much more important that news like this is spread as widely as possible.
The fascists riding Trump's coattails aren't even hiding their intentions any more. We must not let them succeed in destroying the few remaining vestiges of American democracy, and the first step in that is keeping that loathsome lunatic Trump out of office.
- Watch the major news orgs glaze past it so they can report that a geriatric man is geriatric. At this point they're all complicit in what is about to happen in November.
  
  Yep. Corporate news made their choice in 2016. The resulting chaos, dysfunction, and humiliation to the country did nothing to change their minds.
  
  At this point they’re all complicit in what is about to happen in November.
  Truer than you might think. Here's the FACT based analysis to back up your statement.
- There was no thin veil. It was a clear statement.
- thinly veiled
  Pretty sure they just said it outright.
- complete with a thinly veiled threat of violence and bloodshed
  There wont be any bloodshed if we stop resisting!!!!
  
  Exactly.
  Entirely on brand, it's the classic abusive asshole position - "just do as I say - I don't want to have to hurt you, but I will."
There's literally nothing Donald Trump could do that would make his worshipping voters change their minds about him. They believe anything critical of him is a lie and made up to hurt him politically. I can't believe how dumb the electorate has become. Must be a general lack of education.
- Must be a general lack of education.
  Republican politicians have long used language targeted at a 5th grade level of comprehension. Trump's big innovation in politics was targeting a 4th grade level.
  
  I often hear conservative family members complain about the public school system and calling for it to be dismantled. To them, the public school system is the reason for every evil the US faces, both on economic issues and social issues. They all listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and happily mix bible quotes and Rush Limbaugh quotes into the same sentence.
- The outrage-machine of culture war has become so fervent that it's the only thing they care about. I watch police bodycam videos because they're genuinely unscripted (unlike reality tv). The frequency with which arrestees cite their poor living conditions as motivations for their actions always has me wondering how much they attribute their circumstance to oligarchs fucking us all over vs anger that's turned outward towards groups that don't affect them at all. Obviously, I'm projecting, but it's something that drives my curiosity.
- More education generally means richer.
  Rich people generally pay for better education.
  Children generally vote the same as their parents.
  Richer generally means more likely to vote republican.
  
  More education generally means richer.
  Very US-centric take. College education should be part of the general public education system like it is in Europe. It should not be connected to a person's net worth. In Europe, you go to college based on merits, not wealth.
  I also think it's a very questionable conclusion to say that the more educated people are, the more they vote Republican. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Hence, Republicans have incentive to keep people as dumb as possible.
This is just new evidence to support what has already been known. I would be surprised if this made the news considering it never made the news before.
Yes, Trump is a rapist and a pedophile and not just an acquaintance of Epstein.
- MAGA everywhere plugging their ears and screaming "LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA" Buttery males, Hunter's laptop, Obama's suit, ect.
  
  Buttery males? What'd I miss?
Any takers on his lawyers trying to say this was an official act? Lol
- Simply a facet of his foreign policy!!!
  
  In 2005!
“Massage appointments” are in every conservative’s calendar.
- CSA is very much bipartisan, and occurs from every demographic. It's not helpful to victims to pretend it's not.
  
  Go ahead and compare the list of guilty Ds vs Rs, you will find that it is VERY far from 50/50. D's actually kick out members that do horrible shit like this, R's circle the wagons.
  I'll help you out, go ahead and take a look at this list: https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook
  I beg you, please, show me an equatable list for Ds. I'll wait.
I wonder what the wealthy "liberal media" moguls think this guy will have done with them and their money, when he's in office again? McDonald's parties with underage masseuses?
For that matter, I wonder how many wealthy media moguls were on the Lolita Express with this guy?
- Who are you talking about?
Drain the swamp! I mean trumps circulitory system!
Is this the file?
- That's not a link ... it's a download.
  Blocked.
  
  It's a PDF of a court document.
  
  That’s not a link … it’s a download.
  Any link is a download... I mean that's what happens even when the link target is displayed in the browser, the browser downloads a file (actually a collection of files usually) that is then interpreted and displayed in the browser. A download of data still happens though.
The article doesn't really say anything other than phone records and flights. If the implication is that trump participated in sex trafficking, they need to say that and show proof. If they're just trying to show guilt by association, it's going to look like a smear job.
- it's going to look like a smear job.
  He said, ignoring that conservative "news" is exclusively smear jobs dressed up as news. If Republicans don't have to care about decorum then neither do Democrats. If only we could actually learn this lesson.
  
  If you wrestle igs in the mud, they will win because they have more experience.
- Even if he didn't directly participate, did he witness it? Turn a blind eye? I hope future reporting is clear what it is and is not evidence of, but I also hope people ask the very reasonable questions that follow from what we do know now.
epstein was a tax man helping wealthy people to exploit loopholes using complicated offshoring schemes. rich people hung out with him.
also, trump supporters do not care about this.
- Smells like something a Russian troll would say.
- "trump supporters" are not a monobloc. And different people value different information in different ways, for their own reasons. We need to peel off as many trump voters as possible. Discouraging statements like "trump supporters do not care about this" help to get trump elected. If you want fascism, u/nutsack, that's how we get fascism.
  
  ok thank you frogs man ❤️💕
- Do independents? Because they're who this election will rest on.
  
  If an Independent can look at how the Republican party conducts itself and still be undecided on who to vote for then they aren't an Independent, they're simply a Republican that's socially aware enough to understand that calling themselves a Republican comes with more baggage than they want to take on.
- I would like to see you make a post about this instead of hijacking this post. But I understand. That would create a lot of visibility for your user account.
  
  You’re replying to a bot, don’t bother
  
  Why would I care about the visibility of my user account?
- Ya, 'thecut' is a super reputable source for news and information. Nice bot.
  
  Not that it matters but
  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/who-is-lucy-flores-biden-accuser-former-nevada-lawmaker/index.html
  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/biden-second-accusation/index.html
  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/us/politics/joe-biden-women-me-too.html
  https://abc7ny.com/joe-biden-says-i-get-it-after-women-accuse-him-of-inappropriate-touching-/5232824/
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html?noredirect=on
  Of note: the claim OP made about sexual assault is incorrect. They just felt it was inappropriate and put them in an uncomfortable position. And it doesn’t compare at all to raping kids so I don’t understand why it was brought up
  
  How about this one? Is The New Yorker also working for Vladimir PUTIN???
  https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/a-fair-examination-of-tara-reades-allegation-can-strengthen-the-metoo-movement

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