for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

Mark Twain Two Reigns of Terror Quote never gets old. People are blind to all the normalized terror around them that happens soley because one class seeks to maintain its dominance over the class they exploit to make thier lifestyles possible.

World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
- Land of the free btw
I like how the reactionary communities post shit that isn't thought out. Then you got a couple of... Left communities where they post thought out essays. Too long to read but probably mostly true

Friedrich Engels, 1872, On authority

Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is. It is the act by which one part of the population imposes its will on the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannons — by the most authoritarian means possible; and the victors, if they do not want to have fought in vain, must maintain this rule by means of the terror which their arms inspire in the reactionaries. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if the communards had not used the authority of the armed people against the bourgeoisie? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach them for not having used it enough?
Therefore, we must conclude one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don’t know what they’re talking about, in which case they are only sowing confusion; or they do know, in which case they are betraying the proletarian movement. In either case, they serve reaction.

People seriously still quote On Authority? 🙄
- I found the quote interesting. Is the source material bad? How so?
- Yes, Engels does a pretty good job of explaining why "authoritarian" complaints are usually explained purely by vibes.
- To this day, nobody's actually articulated any counterpoints to it, so yeah.

You may or may not be making a valid point, but you need to be clearer about who you are referring to and in which context.

the meme is referencing a quote from marx that is greatly useful for dunking on idealist leftists who believe that the revolution can simply be wished into existence without all the dirty work.
- Do you consider yourself a leftist?

Seriously. I might not be a great "Marx Scholar" and I don't think the revolution will just be a peaceful process "whished into existence" but I don't think Marx was Dunkin g on anti authoritarians here and to presume the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is the long term free society of Marx ideals is utter garbage. Communism will be anti-authoritarian or it will not be.

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Marx and Engels considered the mere act of revolution to be authoritarian. Advocating for a worker state is at some level authoritarian.
Jumping straight to statelessness is Anarchism, not Marxism, and has a much lower success rate at lasting any amount of time.
- The thing is that anarchism fundamentally doesn't scale. There's a reason we see central authority arise in every functioning society regardless of its political system. It's the same reason complex animals evolve things like nervous systems and brains. Large organism need a way to coordinate actions towards a common purpose, and a human society is no different. This is why we see anarchist style societies at small scales, and then as they grow they develop central coordination mechanisms. The fact that anarchist can't wrap their heads around this simple concept is frankly depressing.
The dictatorship of the proletariat literally just means that the bourgeoisie are suppressed politically until they can be integrated into the rest of society, it doesn't mean a dictatorship, it means a democracy where the former oppressors don't get a seat at the table.

Wat?

we have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. but the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of god and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.
karl marx
- What does that have to do with "anti-authoritarians". Sounds a bit like too much Engels to me.

nah, the actual bottoms are the people who have been so conditioned to subjugation that they can't even imagine being in charge
- Hey, just because they're being homophobic doesn't mean you should stoop to their level

Right, so your solution is to get the people you like to do the terrorizing? Genius play. Really smart. I see no downsides.

What's the alternative? Ending up like Allende, or the Spanish second republic, or Rosa Luxembourg? "The only good socialist movements are those who fail"
- You need to take power in a way that doesn't make a majority of the population hate your guts. Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others.

sure

ok

yes
indeed

Revolutionaries thinking that only if they terrorize enough people a new better society will magically come into existence.

And of course they will be the new ruling class, never on the receiving end of the terror.

Anti-communists thinking that by doing blanket condemnations of past mistakes instead of historical and material analysis of why it happened, how much was necessary, and how much was the excess, they can totally avoid them in the future and bring down capitalism with the power of love.
- How many times does the same mistake have to repeat? Communists didn't invent revolutions you know. Peasant rebellions were a thing in medieval Europe, and many different kinds of uprisings were tried during the centuries. And there's the same pattern repeating again and again - it either fails in bloodshed, or succeeds only for the winners to establish a new tyrannical system.
  The only exception was started by rich landowners because they didn't want to pay taxes to the king. (American)
  Note that I'm talking about violent revolutions - there were quite a few examples of non-violent or semi-violent revolts/uprisings that didn't end up catastrophically. India, South Africa, Portugal, post-communist Eastern Europe come to mind.

So, more propaganda that Biden is a Communist? Really, that's how you make that point and comparison? Tired of the Dems are Communist trope when it's not true. Sure Biden is for the worker - THE WORKER IS THE MIDDLE CLASS!!

Which by Trump has been shrunk, and not in a good way, making it harder for middle class workers. Biden, whether I agree with him or not, clearly thinks MORE about the middle class and worker protections than Trump ever has done.

Your interpretation of this meme is very funny. It has nothing to do with Biden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Rheinische_Zeitung
- Then why use the same Meme for Dark Brandon?
wtf
- Bro's very, very lost
There is no such thing as the "middle class."
you ok there little buddy?