Young Democrats face Gaza blowback as they try to mobilize students for Biden
Young Democrats face Gaza blowback as they try to mobilize students for Biden | CNN Politics
Here’s a take… it would be infinitely worse under the GOP. At least Biden and Blinken have attempted to cool tensions and persuade Bibi to stop. They have, at a minimum, delayed some violence.
The argument isn't "don't vote for biden" it's "stop deflecting the harm your candidate is actively doing by pointing at someone else". Why is that so hard to understand? The fact the democrats want to die on the hill of commiting genocide and squashing student protests against it is their own fault, no one elses.
True.... but I think we would have had more representation, as democrats would try to score political points.
It would have felt like we had some representation fighting against this, rather then 2 parties agreeing on a genocide.
You’re getting all the representation you can get from Senate and House Democrats. Schumer spoke against this in January. Bernie repeated last month, and so on. Congress is now divided on this as a partisan issue, but ignorance puts it all on the president, whose office has been in support of Israel in this conflict since it began under Reagan. A Republican in office would only escalate this into a war with Iran after Palestine is eradicated.
Democrats are speaking out though?
Maga assholes are having a grand time twisting the knife in this wound trying to drive a wedge in the voting block. It's clearly working.
The people who are drawing the line at genocide in Gaza are being disingenuous at best. Foreign policy is, believe it or not, far more complicated than people make it out to seem. Making every effort to de-escalate the conflict at the negotiating table comes before burning bridges with arguably our last and only stalwart ally in the middle east.
Sending Israel weapons doesn't look like a descalation strategy.
Not sending weapons to a genocidal regime is not complicated.
Biden is funding a genocide that’s a red line for people who oppose genocides.
Genocide doesn’t become moral because Israel is a US ally, this is a condemnation of the US too
Why do you need an ally in the Middle East? America's not in the Middle East right?
Persuade Netanyahu to stop by sending him weapons unconditionally and vetoing ceasefire at the UN?
Fantasy land.
That anyone would use Trump’s non-theoretical fascism to goad a vote for Biden is offensive. These are the stakes and Biden still won’t listen. That’s on him.
No, that is one of the stakes. Single-issue voting is extremely narrow-minded, and Trump would undoubtedly make things worse in the single issue you’re emphasizing.
Biden, his administration, and the bulk of the Democratic Party deserve every bit of blowback that they are going to get from their racist, bloodthirsty, gaslighting-filled stance on Gaza. The immorality of it all is bad enough, but it’s also just politically stupid given how so much of the electorate feels. I am painfully aware of the existential threat to democracy that this election poses. For Democrats to gamble US democracy itself on their desire to fuel a genocide is unforgivable. If this godforsaken country actually elects trump, it will be entirely the result of Joe Biden and the sclerotic Democratic Party leadership. We deserve much better.
You do understand that if Biden came down hard that that would result in him losing votes from independents and that he's doing what he can with an unwinnable situation...?
Why is all the pressure to compromise or accept bad candidates focused on the left? Why aren't you encouraging the main stream Democrats and "independents" to agree to stop aiding Israel's genocide to prevent Trump's winning? Why is it only progressive or the left that are required to vote against their conscience to save democracy when the center could just as easily compromise to prevent fascism?
Independents are not automatically centrists. They are simply people who don't identify with either party. Chasing the mythological centrist voter is how we got here.
Edited because Auto Correct really doesn't like independents?
It's funny that his solution to this "unwinnable situation" is to support genocide. Just a woopsie by the old man I guess.
If he stops supporting genocide, who will you vote for?
“If I’m talking about electric vehicles and climate change, and then (a student) asks me, ‘What about all the emissions caused by the bombing of Gaza?’ I’m like, well, you know, can’t help you there,”
Maybe you need a better answer than that?
The emissions that would continue or escalate with Trump in office? He’s worse for everyone except rich white industrialists.
Trump repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term, undoing over a decade’s worth of progress.
Biden just reenacted gender discrimination law that Obama created and Trump subsequently repealed.
SCOTUS repealed Affirmative Action, overturned Roe vs. Wade, and left protest law up to the states due to the heavily conservative appointments made by Trump.
Trump’s tax cuts expired for the low and middle classes in 2022, but the larger tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations continue through 2024. Biden’s tax proposal begins in 2025, with cuts for the low and middle class, and heavily increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations.
Russia will succeed in their invasion of Ukraine if the US fails to provide support, which is Trump’s position.
Trump also said the Israel’s biggest problem is recording their atrocities, and they should just finish what they started in Gaza.
I could go all day, but you get the point. Abstain or vote third-party if you’re looking to invite this back into the White House.
It's such a dumb simplification and false question, what's he supposed to do? Pull out charts demonstrating that unchecked hamas bombimg canmpaigns against Isreal would be less carbon friendly?
What the person is saying is I don't care about the environment or any other issue so I'm going to disrupt you talking about anything else
I'd love to see them locked in a room with the just stop oil protestors that pour oil on the road trying to cause accidents - battle of the delusional egomaniac single issue voters.
How about "We're not going to agree on every issue, or support everything that Biden does, because this isn't a cult. Biden is imperfect, and we need to speak loud so that he hears our concerns. But it won't matter at all if Biden loses the election. He won't be able to do anything about anything if Trump wins, and you can be damn sure that everything you care about will be worse if that happens.
So yes, we are all of us concerned about what Israel is doing in Gaza. And we are concerned about climate change. And we are concerned about equal rights, the rule of law, foreign interference, immigration, the economy, water, food, energy, and housing, and a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for catastrophe."
How do you sell a genocide supporter to people who want to stop the genocide? Why not give them an option to not support the genocide?
Some people seem way too okay with there being two bad choices for president.
Others seem way too resistent to any attempt to make one of those choices not bad.
There's a difference between being okay with something and begrudgingly working with circumstances while simultaneously criticizing people who give up because things aren't perfect.
I'm not okay with Biden being the best candidate, but that doesn't make abstention a viable voting strategy.
Begrudgingly working with circumstances and giving up because things aren't perfect can easily be the same thing. That criticism has got to come with some cognitive dissonance.
If there's a plan for a better outcome I can white knuckle my way through a lot of situations in life. Sure, shit happens and sometimes we just gotta deal with it but if I feel like this isn't something we're going to be able to avoid in the future I want to opt out entirely. Think of a camping trip where the tent is leaking. If we're not planning on replacing the tent I don't want to go camping again.
So with Biden sure I can white knuckle through it if I think 2028 primaries are going to produce someone better but they won't. You can blame "young voters" if you want. Personally I point to the fact that nobody is apologizing for voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries. If they're not apologizing that means they don't see how their decisions negatively impacted me or don't see a problem with negatively impacting me so they're going to repeat the behavior.
I'm not interested in white knuckling through that. People are free to keep camping with a leaky tent I won't stop them but I won't be participating any more than I can control.
Please don't respond with some kind of counter comparative example or taking my made up comparison to some kind of scientific degree. It's just a conceptual tool for the purposes of the conversation. Telling me it doesn't apply isn't going to change the way I view the situation or my decisions.
If I get the sense that 2028 would somehow be better I'd reconsider.
The phrase "there are 3 bad choices for president" is true, but is so hilariously reductionist. I'm not saying you, in particular, are evaluating it through this lense, just that there is a difference between the "bad" here, and it's really, really obvious.
It is a reference to the two party system that constrains the election to what is often considered the picking the lesser of two evils.
Jesus fuck I thought I was cynical but this take by CNN is like, weaponized cynicism.
Young Democrats face Gaza blowback as they try to mobilize students for Biden
Perhaps instead of trying to mobilize students to support an active genocider, they can go fuck themselves instead?
I guess the people pushing this don't understand elections because Russia hasn't had real ones in so long? Or is it just the new wave of idealistic anti intellectualism? 'I have a moral cause so I don't need to meaningfully interact with reality!'
Basically you're talking to a wall with these people
Ooooo, "idealistic anti intellectualism" huh? Well check out the big brain on Brett, you're a smart motherfucker!
If the students vote for Trump over Biden because of how he is handling Isreal they are severely misinformed.
Accelerationists
I’d like us to just remember the Iran hostage crisis and the Carter/Reagan Election. Carter negotiated in good faith to try to get the US hostages released. It didn’t work because Reagan had paid the Iranians some $40 million through Earl Brian to keep the hostages until after the election. Just an hour or so after Reagan was sworn into office, the hostages were released. This tipped the scales of the election.
Why do I bring this up now? Because the situation with Israel and Gaza is bad for Biden. He knows it and seems to be trying to do something to stop it. However, it is really in Trump’s interest, and even seems to be Israel’s plan anyway, to keep the war going as long as possible. For all we know, Trump is paying off Israel to not agree to a ceasefire.
So, just keep in mind who is being hurt by the situation and who has more to gain from the war going on indefinitely.
Netanyahu wants Trump to win and is acting accordingly
Israel's actions make much more sense when viewed through this lens
seems to be trying to do something to stop it.
What evidence exists of this?
Unpopular opinion: if you require disenfranchised voters to stave off a fascist dictatorship then you're already a failed state and are only kicking the can down the road.
There are probably a lot of people you love who require healthcare who are depending on that can being kicked further down the road until you have an alternative.
I personally think we can support Palestine without throwing our trans and gay populations, our immigrants, and our leftists to the wolves.
That's the thing. We aren't getting an alternative. We're getting fascism. Whether we slowly slide into it with the Democrats or speed run it with the Republicans we will have to deal with the issue.
Honestly not sure the situation for immigrants is that much better under Biden. Especially with the immigration bill from earlier in the year they tried to pass and the It Could Happen Here episodes about the border conditions under Biden. At least during Trump's term there were news reports and people were more active giving aid.
You're not wrong. I guess the question is now whether you're ok with the consequences of not kicking it?
The don't think that far ahead.
Pithy comments that undermine their own stated aims are their entire contribution to the human experience.
Translation: Why fight becoming a dictatorship when dictatorship seems to be winning?
People acting like if Biden wins, Trump will magically disappear and another even more insane republican won't immediately take his place and threaten democracy again.
I honestly think this is the closest to perfect time for the DNC to split and make a new party. They can easily start with at least 30-40 house members and maybe a few senators. The majority of young voters would probably opt to vote for them.
Suddenly they'd be forced to do coalitions to keep doing things, and republicans would lose voter base so fast they might even split themselves.
More like Republicans will all fall in line like they always do and win against a divided left every time.