1y ago

China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds

www.euronews.com

For at least ten years, the Chinese Communist Party has been abducting its overseas citizens on EU territory and forcibly returning them to China - violating the rule of law and public security in Europe - a new report finds.

Full report: https://safeguarddefenders.com/sites/default/files/pdf/Chasing%20Fox%20Hunt.pdf

Archived version: https://archive.ph/lEYCn

EDIT: The discussion shifted to off-topic and insults. Post locked.

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1y ago

China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds

www.euronews.com /2024/04/17/china-abducted-and-forcibly-returned-its-own-citizens-from-eu-territory-report-finds

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Also, they consider anybody of Chinese ethnicity to be 'their people'. Even if you've not been to China ever in your life. Fuck pooh bear
Edit: I see the hexbear brigade has arrived
- Winnie the Pooh isn't illegal in China. You've been lied to.
  
  They have it backwards, Winnie the Pooh is illegal outside of China, that's why Xi abducted him and forces him to work at Disney Shanghai.
  
  Not sure where I implied in my post that it's illegal in China. Fuck xinnie, if that makes it more understandable for you
- Care to explain how calling a person of Asian ancestry Pooh Bear isn't incredibly racist?
  
  Ah yes, Winni the Pooh a well stand-in for Asian people.
  Not at all a representation of one person, a certain Xi Jinping, who was the butt of Chinese memes comparing him to the bear, and further reinforced by his governments censorship of Winni the poor relating in the Streisand effect.
  Think before you speak Hexbear chud.
  
  Take a look at my nick. Yes, that's a Chinese name. Are we doing the Jewish antisemitism thing?
  As an Asian: I have never once met a single other Asian who thinks the pooh meme is racist. Even the Chinese pro-CCP crowd understands it's targeting Xinnie specifically. I've only ever heard the 'racist' take from white folks defending Xinnie. Thanks for your concern guys, but there's really no need
Report by "Safeguard Defenders" formerly "China Action"... website here if you want to see a bunch of "HOLY SHIT CHINA BAD" stuff....
Human rights NGO Safeguard Defenders first revealed in 2022 that China operates more than 120 illegal police offices in 53 countries around the world, including around 50 in the EU.
Wasn't this deemed super false? Those "police offices" were just outreach centers for Chinese nationals needing help filling out paperwork or being tracked down to remind them to fill out paperwork?
China in just one year as part of a special campaign in which the threat of collective punishment was also used as a means of persuasion.
Nowhere in the article does it source any of these claims. Doesn't even link to the "report"
...Chinese indiciduals who...
heheh... misspelled "individuals"...
From the Safeguard Defenders website where the .pdf for the report is located. The first two sentences reframes things differently from the EuroNews linked article.
Just around Christmas last year, China’s global hunt for “fugitives” hit a new milestone. Since its launch in 2014 as part of Xi Jinping’s anti-corruption campaign, 10,000 are claimed to have been successfully returned from over 120 countries around the globe under Sky Net (and junior partner Fox Hunt) operations....
Its not JUST Chinese citizens, its people that that the Chinese government is claiming have broken the law and fled the country.
Also... the EuroNews article says the report is 169 pages long, the .pdf from Safeguard Defenders is only 69 pages long.
I mean... sure, if you want to make an argument about how the Chinese government may or may not be following extradition treaties/laws to have people accused of criminal activity brought back to the country to stand trial, you can make that argument. Framing it as "Chinese government kidnaps citizens traveling abroad!!!!" is wildly inaccurate.
- You are linking the wrong report.
  The article mentions the new report, found here.
  
  Pg. 18:
  Ye is the former mayor of Chuanliao Town Government in Qingtian County, Zhejiang. Accused of bribery, he fled to Milan, Italy, in July 2001.
  In December 2014, the Zhejiang Public Security Department and the Protectorate sent a joint working group to Italy and Spain to carry out persuade to return operations of fugitives from the Lishui and Wenzhou areas.
  After being persuaded face-to-face by the working group, Ye flew back to China with the working group to surrender himself on December 23, 2014.
  Nothing alleged here is remotely objectionable.
- Its not JUST Chinese citizens, its people that that the Chinese government is claiming have broken the law and fled the country.
  Which doesn't mean anything since they are not in China and such an act would be, as the title says, abduction. Which is a crime and a violation of sovereignty.
- Isn't most of this Chinese embassies reaching out to fugitives and taking them into going back home to have things sorted out?
  Do we know anything about what kind of crimes they're on the run because of or what consequences they gave when they go home? I wouldn't be surprised if most of it is really banale stuff.
China shit my pants
- I'm so sorry. 😿 this happened to my family. Would you like to buy a ticket in order to hear our story in music and dance form?
The US drone strikes it's own citizens on foreign soil so yet again China is doing a bad thing that's not nearly as bad as what the US is doing and everyone just ignores what the US is doing and shouts BUT CHYNA! Racist hacks
- I will be the first one to accuse US of being a hypocrite criminal state, but this whole mentality of excusing China's abhorrent behavior because someone else is worse is just as bad as ignoring US crimes.
  
  China's abhorrent behavior
  What is abhorrent here? The article you linked to has the report's author saying that telling a citizen to return = kidnapping. It's trumped-up bullshit.
  
  Abducting someone is only "abhorrent" without the context. It's only bad if you assume they don't have a good reason for it. And you can only assume they don't have a good reason for it if you buy into the propaganda that the Chinese government is some entity made of pure evil.
  Maybe these folks were past their visa, or were being extradited for some crime. Who knows. There are lots of super valid reasons for an embassy to "abduct" someone. World governments do that kind of shit all of the time for totally normal reasons. And yet where's the article about "German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa." They don't exist because people naturally assume that white governments have a good reason for doing something and non white governments don't. It just racism plain and simple.
  Sure maybe the Chinese government is just going around risking international incidents because some random dude is doing thought crime. Or maybe they're just getting them out of the country because they're not supposed to be there anymore. One of those is significantly more likely than the other.
- Classic whataboutism
  
  Whataboutism is a completely nonsensical concept when comparing countries. The foundation of international law is comparing how different countries handle similar situations.
  
  Does this in your mind make both things okay somehow? Is this a magical word?
  
  Fallacy fallacy....
  
  Oh shit, well I guess in that case killing your own people with sky robots and no trial is okay then.
- BUT WADABAOUT!!!!!!
As of 2022, there were approximately 1.2 million victims of US government abduction being held on US soil. Just to put things into perspective.
- This is not a good comparison and isn't necessary to show this report is bullshit. It isn't even internally coherent:
  "Indeed, the official methodology involves kidnapping," Harth said. "Citizens are persuaded to return..."
  They're talking about China telling its citizens to return, which is nothing like kidnapping, but they're calling it that anyway to gin up outrage. Between that and the telltale "Chinese Communist Party" mislabeling, they're obviously not interested in doing any sort of objective analysis.
  
  Yes, the CCP is notorious for being super friendly when persuading people. They would never ever threaten a person's entire family to get people to step in line.
  Grabbing a person off the streets and throwing them into a van isn't the only method of kidnapping.
  
  I did not even click the link because it's obvious on its face that it's bullshit anti-china propaganda in like 7 different ways. My comment is essentially a steel-man argument: Even if I assume that the liberal bullshit propaganda is 100% true, the US is still far worse in every way.
- We love imprisoning people, blowing them up extra judicially, and deporting our veterans so we don't have to support them, and sometimes we even blow them up extrajudicially after we deport them!
- Source? From my experience, US goes in the opposite direction. They keep inventing new reasons to kick people out. Their Title 42 is a perfect example of how they circumvent their Title 8 protections.
  
  Probably a false equivalence to the prisoner population, as if China doesn't have any prisons and it wasn't an entirely different issue
  
  Source?
  https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/prisoners-2022-statistical-tables
Europe when violating China's sovereignty for a hundred years: "Hahahaha this rules! I love sowing, I will live forever by the sword!"
Europe when China violates its sovereignty: "Noooooo this sucks! Why do I have to reap what I sowed?! Nobody could have forseen that I would also die by the sword!"

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