Former Kentucky swimmer Riley Gaines was among more than a dozen college athletes who filed a lawsuit against the NCAA, accusing it of violating their Title IX rights by allowing transgender woman Lia Thomas to compete at the national championships in 2022.
Former Kentucky swimmer Riley Gaines was among more than a dozen college athletes who filed a lawsuit against the NCAA on Thursday, accusing it of violating their Title IX rights by allowing transgender woman Lia Thomas to compete at the national championships in 2022.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Atlanta, details the shock Gaines and other swimmers felt when they learned they would have to share a locker room with Thomas at the championships in Atlanta. It documents a number of races they swam in with Thomas, including the 200-yard final in which Thomas and Gaines tied for fifth but Thomas, not Gaines, was handed the fifth-place trophy.
Thomas swam for Pennsylvania. She competed for the men’s team at Penn before her gender transition.
Thomas was the first openly transgender athlete to win a Division I title in any sport, finishing in front of three Olympic medalists for the championship. By not making the final, the lawsuit mentions that Florida swimmer Tylor Mathieu, who was not a plaintiff, was denied first-team All-American honors in that event.
Other plaintiffs included athletes from volleyball and track.
I think I have to agree that transgender people shouldn't simply be allowed to compete in women's sports. Men tend to have a physical advantage, and that is just biology. Yes, there are certainly natural women who can compete against men, but it's not the norm. I have no clue how to resolve this, but I agree it's unfair to the majority of women athletes, amd I'd probably be pretty pissed in this situation, too, especially if I were pursuing a professional sports career.
And I worry about women feeling forced to compensate medically or with drugs somehow if this becomes common.
Fuck it, let's just abolish competitive sport until people can calm the fuck down about their stupid games. Maybe we could make the world better in general if we funnel some of that sporting money into something that isn't totally pointless.
Honest question: how is it that we don’t filter sports into height and weight classes as well? Tall folks inherently have an advantage in some sports, and it is unfair to average height folks that want to play.
I get their point and I do not see this as a fair thing. Now that more people are coming out or transitioning should they try to make a different league or something?
Testosterone is one hell of a drug:
"After 24 months of testosterone suppression, bone mass is generally preserved. The review states that no study has reported muscle loss greater than 12% with testosterone suppression even after three years of hormone therapy.[75] It found that trans women are in the top 10% of females regarding lean body mass and possess a grip 25% stronger than most females.[75]"
The physical differences because of testosterone are why we have separate competitions for men and women. Imo it's not very fair to lifelong women, to let new women compete against them, if those new women have significant physical advantages because of higher testosterone levels in their past. If the differences had been negated over time by hormone therapy, then I'd consider it fair, but the advantages are clearly not negated and they are quite significant.
Organisation x holds a competition. They stipulate the rules for the competition. You don't agree with the rules. You don't have to participate. You are also allowed to express you displeasure with organisation x's decisions. Maybe organise your own competitions. Maybe yours will be better. The sky is the limit!
I will say; I don't care too much who these people compete with or against. But I do support their right to complain about it.
Given that there will be more people like Lia Thomas who want to compete at the highest levels in sports and that people who were born male can have natural advantages at sports, doesn't this mean that over time people who are born male will displace all people who were born female in sports, leaving no biological women in the top slots? If this trend continues, I don't see why this wouldn't happen over years and years. No matter how one feels about this issue this would feel like a profoundly unfair outcome.
Be democratic, let the athletes decide. I would trust their decision. Either they have decided to be bigots, I know it's a cruel world it's cruel I consider trans exclusionary people bigots. God forbid, they decide they don't mind including trans woman because face it, who are the ones really suffering in this thing?
We're talking about women's sports. They are already a sub class. I'll say it, if they want to be shitty, I'll be shitty. No matter how many gold trophies or medals or accolades you achieve you're competing in a sport that has handicapped you because of your gender.
Americans, you know this isnt really freedom right? The ability to only compete against biological women is not a right, nor are you entitled to a blue ribbon.
You know your country is this close to a dictatorship, right?
Regardless of where anyone sits on this topic, I need you to realize something that none of you are even aware of. By accepting the premise of the argument as "men are generally stronger than women," you are immediately accepting that trans women are men. It doesn't matter how you land the rest of your opinion. The fascists got you to accept their presupposition that trans women are just men.