Inside Sony’s ‘Madame Web’ Collapse: Forget About a New Franchise

I mean I haven't read Spiderman consistently for just about twenty years, so I know a lot has changed, but Madame Web always seemed like a minor addition to the Spiderman universe, not super popular, she's no Deadpool or Venom, a character capable of leading their own franchise, so maybe, just maybe Sony is desperately pulling Spiderman characters and movies out of their asses and expecting people to go along with it.

Meanwhile even hardcore comics fans like myself think these movies are bad ideas and if "Morbin' Time" was any kind of example, and I was initially excited for a Morbius movie as he is a good character and part of Marvel's Midnight Sons team, but the movie was garbage and I don't know why but it just seems like Jared Leto ruins any well-established character that he touches.

I was also not a fan of the way Sony is doing Venom, whom is a strong character that can carry a franchise, but requires some Spiderman interaction to explain why he looks like Spiderman, the movie wasn't horrible, but I'd have rathered have something that was part of the MCU instead.

So with that said, we still have Kraven coming down the pipe, another minor Spiderman villain, and I have zero enthusiasm for that movie as well.

All in all Sony f'd up this deal, they should have done profit sharing with Marvel and just added this stuff to the MCU rather than flooding us with shit movies with second tier characters that nobody asked for.

It does look like they're churning out junk for the license.

Though I think the Venom movies were considered successful as well. And the latest live action Spider-Man trilogy was also Sony and successful, but they relied heavily on Marvel and its universe.

I mean, the Raimi movies are looked back on pretty fondly and made millions. Spider Man 3 may not have reviewed the best, but it still made $895M at box office, which is an enviable sum today, almost 20 years later.

NASA spent millions trying to make a pen work in space

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-spent-millions-on-a-pen-able-t/

They (DC) will probably spin this as a teachable moment around "re-evaluating the corporate direction"

Idk what rock you've been living under, but the new Flash movie got absolutely trashed by critics and audiences, and everyone knows what a huge piece of shit Ezra Miller is.

You're looking too hard for a controversy that isn't there. This is a Sony live-action Spiderman adjacent film. All of them have been terrible. Madam Web is terrible too.

People criticized Venom, Venom 2, Morbius, and now Madame Web. People will probably criticize the solo Kraven movie whenever that comes out too. It's not a conspiracy against women, it's that Sony seems to fundamentally not understand how to make a good superhero flick.

I just watched The Marvels, and I liked it quite a bit, if I stopped short of loving it (but honestly, who LOVES marvel movies? The entire point is high floor/low ceiling entertainment). The plot meanders and it has a typical Marvel "understandable but underdeveloped" villain, but the leads had good chemistry, the switching dynamic was fun, the entire cast from Ms. Marvel is delightful, and Brie Larson is (finally) getting comfortable in the role. I was kinda surprised at how poorly it did, but also kinda not, because fanboys are proving that they really need to see themselves represented or they suddenly develop extremely high standards and demand only groundbreaking entertainment with perfect execution.

I hear you but this one is another in a line of very misguided Sony movies, and the errors made in its production completely undermined both the plot and how it was going to tie into the failing multiverse.

In regards to DC movies, nobody is expecting them to be good for a while yet while they reboot everything. Then Marvel is flagging with several issues but Sony surprises everyone by releasing yet another non-Spiderman Spiderman movie.

Now on top of all that you're right, sexism is playing into this too, especially from the toxic male fanboy culture, but to me this one was already on extremely shaky ground before it was released.

Say what you want about Miller as a human being, as an actor they did a very good job portraying the same character from 3 different angles.

I thought it was like an alternate spidermanverse thing.

TBH Spider-Man 3 ruined Spider-Man for me, it really killed the moment with him and the snap for me, probably, I have no way to judge.

I really wanted She Hulk to work. It was terrible. Moon Knight wasn't perfect, but it had some good action and actual dread.

It's true that female lead movies are judged more harshly, but just because a female lead movie flops isn't always about the female and is about the movie.

They could do a Wolverine film, a Rogue & Gambit one, ...

The Dark Universe failed on it's first try (2nd if you count the clearly shoeforned Dracula movie). And what did we learn?

The guy chosen to lead the DU was then given the reigns of the entire Star Trek universe going forward. Talk about failing upward

Lol everyone wanted a Cinematic Universe back then.
Now it's the "Multiverse".

Wonder what the next bandwagon will be

The film introduced a trio of supporting characters (played by Isabela Merced, Celeste O’Connor and Sydney Sweeney — now one of the top stars her age).

This is why I hate film journalism. It says supporting characters, but then it lists a bunch of actors. These words are meaningless to me and meaningless to the internal context of the movie. I have received no information.