“You mean to tell me that you have actual evidence of weapons right under the children you bombed?”
“Yes”
“Can I see it?”
“No”
"Seymour everyone accusing us doing genocide again!"
"No mom they're just Hamas"
"We saw some weapons by that hospital over there though... Brb"
"Right, and you call them steamed despite the fact that they are obviously minced."
Chalmers: Yes, I should be--good lord, what is happening in there?!
Skinner: Hamas HQ Tunnels?
Chalmers: Hamas HQ Tunnels?! At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your hospital?!
Skinner: Yes.
Chalmers: ...May I see it?
Skinner: ...No.
"But what if...I were to commit atrocities and blame it on Hamas? Ho ho ho, delightfully devilish, Israel!"
May I see these Hamas tunnels?
What's up with all these "Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields" arguments?
Are these some kind of propaganda bots, or are people actually that stupid to repeat each others bullshit?
If you are a Hamas and I am an IDF and there is a civilian in between you and me, then it is a shield that you are using to protect yourself in a cowardly fashion. I am allowed to kill you and if the human in between dies then that's your fault.
However, if you are a Hamas and I am an IDF and there is a fence in between you and me, then you are not allowed to ever cross the fence. Not even if your house is on the other side of the fence. That is doing a genocide against all Israelis. If you cross the fence and you hurt an IDF, then we are allowed to kill twenty five Palestinians. This is called the Dahiya Doctrine.
But also, if you are a journalist and you mention the Dahiya Doctrine, you are an antisemite and should be fired. If you are a jouranlist in Gaza then you are a Hamas and I can kill you. And I can kill your family. And I can kill anyone in your immediate vicinity, because they are human shields (see above).
These are the rules of civil engagement. If you do not respect these rules, you are an antisemite. And we can kill you for being an antisemite because that's fascism.
But if you're an antisemite doing a fascism in Ukraine, that's different. Disregard all of the above. In fact, strike it and reverse it. In fact, strike it and reverse it and you are a Russian bot. Also, please nobody ask about the banner on the Likud Party HQ.
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Someone not only payed for that banner to be made, but confidently decided to hang it. Amazing.
good job
Even if that’s the case, Israel’s stance is to kill the hostages if it means killing the hostage taker. They’re so bloodthirsty they kill their own people.
They believe (incorrectly) that saying the civilians were used as human shields (they weren't) transfers the moral responsibility for their deaths to Hamas (it doesn't).
It's the only way they can justify the blatant murder of civilians and destruction of their homes and public infrastructure on anyone but Israel. Otherwise the only other argument to justify it is "they deserve it"
When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.
The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023
Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.
While we're on the subject, let's look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
"Human shield" is a label that is applied to place the blame for civilian deaths on one's enemy. It a very useful propaganda phrase for painting your enemies(or anyone really) as inhuman monsters worthy of slaughter.
Citations needed recently did a very informative episode on the history and use of the phrase
Who knows. Why are you repeating bullshit. The answer lies within.
Probably a mix of propaganda bots and real idiots. The idea is that the people using human shields are the 100% objective bad guy, and while that is bad, I contend that the Israelis that shoot the human shields are morally much worse.
Israel sent a handcuffed prisoner into a hospital to tell them all to evacuate because they were going to blow the hospital up. He then left the hospital and Israeli soldiers shot him multiple times.
That isn't just a human shield that also is a human messenger pigeon that you've shot after it's read its message aloud.
Are these some kind of propaganda bots, or are people actually that stupid to repeat each others bullshit?
I think it's both, usually at the same time. Brainwashed bot-people.
¿Por que no los dos?
No, it is the UN that is Hamas.
"Good lord! What is happening in Rafah?"
GDF is doing great work explaining how we got here.
Honestly there's no point in Israel pulling any punches now. Not getting rid of hamas now would just kick the can down the road and all of this will just happen again a year or two from now. People are already upset, might as well make it worth the bad press.
- Blowing up innocent people isn't getting rid of hamas
- As long as there is injustice, even if hamas is wiped out there will be another group.
I believe it's a war crime for Hamas to use human (including children) shields, but sure. Nothing is Hamas' fault.
Didn't your moma ever teach you 2 war crimes don't make clean war? What are kids learning these days on toktok smh
Right, so force the entire population into tents, shut down aid, shut down power, shut down water, lock up the border and let nobody through, destroy all the hospitals, plow up the cemeteries, kill the hostages.
"Look at what Hamas made me do! They killed 1000 so I'm going to kill 30,000+"
For someone to be a human shield, they have to be shielding something. Israel is using tools of genocide because it's decided all Palestinians are Hamas.
Better just kill them all then, right? Fuck off.
Do you think it's a war crime for Israel to destroy all their hospitals? Do you think it's a war crime what happened to Hind and ten thousand other children? Or can you only find fault with one side.
I believe it's a war crime for Hamas to use human (including children) shields
This is true and I have great news for you- both Israel and Hamas can go to ICJ and individuals to the ICC! Sanctions for Hamas and Israel, right?
Sounds fair to me.
Nothing is Hamas’ fault.
If anything is Hamas's fault, then a genocide of the entire population of Gaza is acceptable.
I too believe that. Most people in this community abhorre everything hamas stands for (if you don't, shame on you) but God forbid if Israel does anything to solve the problem of having a neighbouring country trying to kill every single citizen of you own.
Just let it be and it will resolve itself, they think.
God forbid if Israel does anything to solve the problem
The core objection is the how. Why the massively disproportionate force is encouraged by the IDF as its own ‘tool of terror’ to dissuade the population of those it fights against
'We will wield disproportionate power against every village from which shots are fired on Israel, and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases... This isn't a suggestion. This is a plan that has already been authorized.'
- Israeli General, Gadi Eisenkot in 2008
That's the thing. They aren't doing anything that will truly destroy Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings and attacks do nothing. They need to send boots on the ground to root them out, while simultaneously cordoning off and protecting civilians.
Because that's what the good guys do. They don't fight back against terrorists by becoming bloodthirsty terrorists of their own. Palestinians are hostages by Hamas, and Israel should be trying to save them too.
