Reddit beats film industry again, won’t have to reveal pirates’ IP addresses
Reddit beats film industry again, won’t have to reveal pirates’ IP addresses
While we can be pretty confident that Reddit has its own motivations (i.e. self-interest) for fighting these lawsuits, this is still a good news story for pirates.
I was going to download their movies to spite them, but looking it up they've only produced complete trash.
Sorry, you're going to have to be just a little more specific here, I'm wading in a sea of garbage over here
I am so conflicted on which side should I be on :/
A rough translation of a brazilian quote for you: "In a fight between these guys, I cheer for the fight".
I'm gonna say this all the time now
That's poetry
Brazilian phonk intensifies
How is it hard to root for the anonymity of people? This is pretty cut-and-dry.
Welll y'know what they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that
Firms wanted seven years' worth of IP address logs
I doubt - or hope they don't - Reddit stores them for that long?
If you think reddit is on your side, think again.
Reddit can eat my ass with a spoon
Exactly, but it's still a helpful win regardless.
Film industry obviously didnt pay enough
For real tough, Steve can suck diseased dicks in hell.
What is reddit?
it's where everyone in Lemmy came from
I confirm.
What is lemmy? 🫣
An instance with poor interoperability and boot licker admins.
Baby don't hurt me
It was insane to think they would comply with this to begin with. Downloading pirated media isn't illegal, neither is discussing piracy. What is illegal is redistribution, and good luck proving that on a large scale community like this.
EDIT: These are 2 USA based companies, US Laws apply to this context.
Careful with this. Downloading pirated content can definitely be illegal depending on where you live.
It's just not usually enforced as heavily as redistributing.
More specifically there is no US Federal Law about obtaining pirated works, only the Redistribution
17 U.S. Code § 506 - Criminal offenses
(a)Criminal Infringement.—
(1)In general.—Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed—
(A)for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(B)by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180–day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or
(C)by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
(2)Evidence.—
For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement of a copyright.
(3)Definition.—In this subsection, the term “work being prepared for commercial distribution” means—
(A)a computer program, a musical work, a motion picture or other audiovisual work, or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution—
(i)the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and
(ii)the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed; or
(B)a motion picture, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution, the motion picture—
(i)has been made available for viewing in a motion picture exhibition facility; and
(ii)has not been made available in copies for sale to the general public in the United States in a format intended to permit viewing outside a motion picture exhibition facility.
So, basically, downloading cracked adobe products is always right. It's always morally acceptable. But your provider is risking their ass.
The big industry names want to make you believe that you'll be punished for downloading a car. It's all fearmongering.
this! there are countries other than the US
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In a motion to compel that was filed last month, movie companies Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures argued that "Reddit users do not have a recognized privacy interest in their IP addresses."
But in Wednesday's ruling, US Magistrate Judge Thomas Hixson said, "The Court finds no reason to believe provision of an IP address is not unmasking subject to First Amendment scrutiny."
Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures previously sued the Internet service provider Frontier Communications, alleging that it is liable for its users' copyright infringement.
The fact that movie companies only sought IP addresses instead of names this time around wasn't enough to sway the court.
As in the previous cases, the movie companies "cannot show that the information they seek here is unavailable from other sources," Hixson wrote.
Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures cited Reddit posts in which users say that Frontier didn't terminate their Internet service despite sending many copyright infringement notices about torrent downloads.
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Food for thought: Lemmy instance admins probably can’t afford $800 an hour corporate attorneys to fight off subpoenas.
Food for though: In the US judges have ruled on multiple occasions that an IP address doesn't actually prove what individual engaged in the act.
Might I direct you to the huge flaming catastrophe of bullshit known as "the police don't give a fuck lol". All they need to do is make it difficult, costly and time consuming to win and fuck you once you get hit with charges. And would you look at that, the US legal system specializes in all 3 of those! How convenient.
Doesn’t matter, these are unpaid volunteers standing up instances. Most, if not all, have no desire to fight that battle on their own dime.
The average person getting sued also can't afford an attorney
And yet they still want them, so there must be more to the story. I also don't understand why since I have dynamic IP address in EU, unless they can match the ownership to a person at any given time in the past its not useful info.
Sure, but that's assuming the logs contain your ip in the first place.
Assume they do until proven otherwise
Oops, I accidentally fired the sd card containing my instance running on my raspberry pie.
If that is really how you do it, you won't need to fry it, it will happen soon enough by itself.
And this is why you VPN.
MFW I went to upvote but couldn't because "error: VPN blocked" 😑
That doesn't help instance admins at all, though.
Would be a real shame if my instance's logrotate was set to, say, only keep a few days of webserver logs. Real shame.
Good luck establishing precedent with that!
Oh. They sued an instance? 😱
\ Anyway... here's another 5 hosted in Russia, or a country where piracy is legal, or just don't give a fuck.
ok but what if in losing the suit, they must give up the logs and IPs?
Before they go under?
like the instance and the people that discussed piracy will be hurt
and it will put fear in others