67% of Arab world: October 7 was 'legitimate resistance' against Israel

What I find depressing is that most of the Arab world thinks so, but the majority of people from Gaza don't.

Arab world: https://i.imgflip.com/41f829.jpg

It clearly shows that Arabs don't care about fellow Palestinians suffering, and the only thing that matters is that they fucked up lives of some Jews.

Arabs aren’t one people. They’re many different tribes. They’ve been fighting as long as the historical record. So them not caring about the Palestinians is not surprising but obvious.
the majority of people from Gaza don’t.
Last poll I saw shows the majority of Gazans approve of Oct 7:
57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
Has public opinion in Gaza shifted since then?
Yeah I'm curious how much help all these Arab countries were sending to the Palestinians.
- I thought Arab countries were the only ones sending aid to Palestinians - ignoring the US which of course is playing both sides
All arabs remember Jordan September 1970 so nobody trusts the Palestinians one bit and rather prefer they die against the Israeli than their own citizens. They got expelled to Lebanon after Jordan and sparked civil war there for decades and then finally getting expelled in 1991.
So if you wonder why the neighbouring Arab countries don't care. There's your answer.

Nobody hates Palestinians more than other Arabs. This was never about them, it was always about hate for Israel.

I dunno, maybe the people genociding them hate them more.
- No, arabs bad.
Stop spreading misinformation.
- Recall that it was the US who had to twist Egypt's arm into accepting refugees. Black September was a thing, and it resulted in several Arab countries refusing to take Palestinian refugees.
  It's important that we discuss this. Hamas and other extremist groups take advantage of the kindness that is offered to Palestinians, and they cause civil wars and assassinations. If I remember right, they murdered the king of Jordan.
  The Muslim extremists are a problem for everyone, and they make life much harder for Palestinians.
Bingo

Considering how the Arab world at large never agreed with the terms of Israel's conquest, this makes sense.

In the 40s and 50s they all agreed on kicking those same Jews out of their counties, though.
- And attacking Israel at the same time but still all losing so bad that Israel actually gained land.
Pretty sure jews around the world never agree with the war that was brought to them the moment country was formed.

How the fuck did you even interview them? The governments of many Arab countries in this survey would kidnap and jail you indefinitely without trail if you support Palestine in public or on social media, and many other cave in to what they are expected to say. It's garbage in garbage out

A new opinion poll, carried out by the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies, was published on January 10
- It’s a Qatari institution with clear bias. Just because it has “Arab” in the name doesn’t mean it represents all arabs. There are many institutions in the middle east with “arab” in the title, they don’t represent us all.
  Just a reminder that Aljazeera is a Qatari state owned channels, and Qatar represented Palestine in the opening for Asia’s cup just yesterday.
  But yea… good journalism.
How is the really of an opinion poll painting them as a monolith? It's literally saying they have different opinions.
This doesn't seem any different from polling Western countries and writing a title about what the Western world thinks. Doesn't make me think of a monolith.
In that case, I’m sure you’d have an issue with a publication writing “99% of Europeans think Hitler was bad”, despite it being a bunch of different nations.
Or, is it “eh white is white” for you?

Why on earth do we accept J Post articles here? It's literally Israeli propaganda.

I'll remember that next time I see an al Jazeera post
- Im not sure I mentioned al Jazeera at all. Random that you brought it up
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arab-center-research-policy-studies-174700630.html
Happy? Or do you have a narrative to spin about this one, too?

To me, the crazy thing is that 33% of the Arab world doesn't think it was legitimate resistance.

The October 7th attack was clearly terrorism. But to have such a big percentage of the Arab world seem to agree with that, even in such an insanely one-sided situation as the ongoing occupation of Gaza, means:

A lot of people want peace.

Everyone wants peace for themselves and their allies. What's important is how many people want peace for the other guy too.
- Well, but what I'm saying is that (edit: ~~calling it terrorism~~) saying it wasn't legitimate is kind of wanting peace for the other guy too.
  I'd be surprised if 33% of Americans or Israelis thought that the invasion of Gaza was illegitimate. Maybe they would though, I honestly don't know.
- Palestinians want to live peace with each other. Israelis are the ones that want to go full Nazi and exterminate all Palestinians because they believe they are the Ubermensch.
  The west bank being terrorized by ZioNazis is all the proof one needs.
I think it is interesting how many people think there will ever be peace while Hamas is in charge, or that Hamas will ever let someone else be in charge.
- Nobody in power ever "lets" someone else have it instead.
  On the first part, I agree; both Likud and Hamas are hell-bent on this outcome. If only the one of them would stop giving the other money to keep them both going.

No doubt about that. minus some bad details .

When you're defending beheading children as "legitimate resistance" when you should probably take a step back and take a long hard look at yourself.
And no, before idiots come along and say dumb shit.... That doesn't mean I'm defending Israel's actions either. It's possible to dislike both situations.
- There’s no evidence Hamas beheaded children. IIRC that was a rumor originating from the IDF which remains unsubstantiated.
- If they had any proof of "Beheading children" they would have submitted to the International Court of Justice. but they didn't, they haven't even dared use that sentence. but here your are parroting your Zionist Hasbara Lies and defending a genocidal agenda that have been in the working for over a century
- Show me 40 decapitated babies and I will start believing the IDF
- This is Zionist propganda.
  No beheaded children nor rapes happened.
  Only some Thai migrant men that got mutilated after they were already shot dead.

resistance? Its intention was to open the doors for Israel and so it did.

What do you mean? The fascist islamist terrorists of Hamas wanted Israel to retaliate? For what reason? I think you give them too much credit, they just took an opportunity to kill as many as they could.

@roastedDeflator @world I can only find it in Arabic. dohainstitute.org/ar/Lists/ACR…
- @roastedDeflator @world My Arabic is not up to translating the whole thing, but some headline figures from my quick skim.
  59% of Arabs are following the news about Gaza daily
  54% following it mainly by satellite TV, 36% by social media
  84% feeling psychological pressure because of the war
  67% think the Hamas attack on 7/10/2023 was a legitimate resistance operation
  67% think Hamas is totally unlike ISIS
  69% stand in solidarity with Gaza and Hamas

Whoever agree with the "legitimate resistance" legitimates everything in this website:

I don’t think you want to play the game of who can show who did worse things.
It is Israel, 100%.
Israel has killed 20 times that number and leveled whole families and neighborhoods slaughtering tons of innocent children.

You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?

57% sounds empirical and they even have cool little charts to go with it. Best case scenario it was: you got someone who doesn't want to talk to you to talk to you for five minutes, or you set the stage for a talkative bastard to talkative bastard at you until you can break free. Neither are particularly good windows into their actual thoughts about Thing X but furthermore all the responses usually total like 0.000028% of the population.

You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?
Lmao
Maths is unscientific now
E: To any downvoters: you are stupid.
Polling is just maths, and is very reliable so long as it's done reasonably.
By all means have reservations of this poll specifically, but to call polls in general or as a concept "unscientific tea leaf reading" is foolish. Disagreeing with that mathematical fact is exactly the same as disagreeing that 5 + 5 = 10.
- Calling social studies math is an insult to math.

Ah yes, an israeli Zionist propaganda outlet posting Zionist propaganda from a known Zionist lemming. Must be very obective

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The al-Aqsa Mosque has been a source of tension as it is located above the Temple Mount, a holy site for both Jews and Christians.

While non-Muslims now have permission to attend their holy site via the Moors Gate, they are forbidden from praying there which has created increased tension.

Palestinians, before October 7, had been permitted to enter Israel with proper documentation for work, medical treatments or for other reasons.

When asked about the responses of regional and international powers to the war, 94% said they considered the United States position negatively, with 82% clarifying they thought it was bad.

The same trend continued for other Western countries with 79%, 78%, and 75% of respondents viewed the positions of France, the UK, and Germany negatively.

In a different survey response, 81% said that they did not believe the US was serious about establishing a Palestinian state and 77% of respondents named the US and Israel as the biggest threat to the security and stability of the region.

The original article contains 666 words, the summary contains 168 words. Saved 75%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

If intentionally raping and killing civilians is "legitimate resistance" I feel sorry for this world.
- If you're ignoring all the raping and killing by the IDF prior to 10/6, I'm sure this all seems inexplicable.
  Because you're literally choosing to ignore why it happens.
  Like that old meme of someone putting a stick into the wheel of their own bike then asking why it happened to them after the crash.
I mean it's doing more damage to Israel than a century of peace could, so I don't think "stupid" applies. Whether it was right to do it when the response would predictably be like this is another story, but due to October 7th support for Israel is now more controversial than ever before.
Hamas and PIJ deliberately targeted civilians and committed atrocities. There is no part of those actions that can even remotely be colored as legitimate. It was attempted genocide as the intent was the destruction of all Israelis living near the border and sparking a war to end the existence of Israel.
- I don't think anyone is defending the actual killing of civilians. The idea is that the civilians who died (including by Israeli hands, by the way, can't forget that), were incidental and had no basis in leadership orders. AFAIK the plan was go attack Israeli bases and soldiers, take hostages, return to the strip, but since Hamas isn't exactly a properly trained modern army (I mean those also commit warcrimes and we don't blame it on leadership unless provable) and Israel just shelled and shot their own citizens the numbers got this bad.
Their attacks on military bases were legitimate, but attacking civilian populations was not and should never be tolerated. Even if you want to say that the settlers are not civilians (at least it has some logic, unlike israel's excuses), they killed indiscriminately, including tens of children.
- I don't think anyone is defending the actual killing of civilians. The idea is that the civilians who died (including by Israeli hands, by the way, can't forget that), were incidental and had no basis in leadership orders. AFAIK the plan was go attack Israeli bases and soldiers, take hostages, return to the strip, but since Hamas isn't exactly a properly trained modern army and Israel just shelled and shot their own citizens the numbers got this bad.

Cool, Israel’s current campaign is legitimate resistance to Hamas aggression as well.

A: raping and brutally killing is legitimate for what you do to us!

B: launching rockets on your civilian buildings is legitimate for what you do to us!

and goes on and on...

Edit: downvoted because I just triggered both parties

If the Zionists didn't target Palestine, nothing would be happening right now. This isn't a cycle without a beginning.
Yes, this wasn't the UN giving Israel land randomly, this was influenced by an Israeli fascist terrorist group called the Stern Gang. They forced the British empire and the UN to give 50% of the land to Israel. They gave them 56% of the land but Israel had half the population.
In which reality is this fair? This is an INVASION. Anything happening to Israel is their own fault. They are invading a country. Anything they do to the civilians of the country they are invading is a war crime.
People just need to put themselves in the position of one of the 750k Palestines who were removed from their lands and sent to live in tents because the UN said so. You have your land, your family lives there, you're trying to make a living... Suddenly you have NOTHING. And there are soldiers with assault rifles coming to kill you if you don't leave.
Seriously, how can anyone support Israel? This is a straight up invasion. How else can they defend their land if the US keeps sending military weapons and funding to Israel? How else are the Palestinians supposed to defend their land? Terrorist tactics is all they have left.
- cycle without a beginning
  What about 1949?

As suspected. 63% of the Arab world are propagandized.