Sanders calls for conditioning US aid to Israel

They gonna call Bernard "I got into politics because my extended family literally died in the holocaust" Sanders antisemitic now?

- And yet that's the same view that has had people screaming about anti-semitism for the past month.
- Aren't most Israelis calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from the region?
Speaking of which:
Several emails posted by Wikileaks show DNC officials scoffing at Sanders and his supporters, and in one instance questioning his commitment to his Jewish religion.
Senator Sanders is in lockstep with Biden & rest of Democratic caucus's view here. There is a big push not to lose the path for a two-state solution and to pause West Bank settlement expansion. Wouldn't be surprised if President Biden's friend Bernard consulted with him about this beforehand.
- It's almost like it's a complex problem with no easy solution

This man could have been the president

Not if the DNC had anything to do about it, and they did.
- After all, they're part of The Big Club.
  (NSFW - language)
I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don't deserve social democracy.
- I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don’t deserve social democracy.
  Not with that attitude we don't.
- that kind of defeatism guarantees that we will never have a morally upstanding president.
  You are a part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sanders would not get everything he wants done in a term, but any progress is better than our current puppet presidents
Nah, tho. Young people didn’t vote in high enough numbers. Depressing. I voted Bernie.
- I didn't. I was wrong. I'm sorry.
- Several million young prospective voters were prevented from voting by going to college in states that don't allow out of state resident voting and not being able to vote in their home states on a Tuesday.
  Add the fact that colleges are typically critically underserved when it comes to voting infrastructure, leading to a requirement to stand in line for the equivalent of a full-time job working day and it's clear that it's not young people being too apathetic.
  It's politicians ratfucking them almost as much as they ratfuck people of color and people of color have much better get out the vote infrastructure to counteract it than colleges do.
- I was young and voted for Bernie
  Now I'm old and tired of this shit 😔
He was nowhere close to even contesting the primary. He got blown out by 3 million votes.
- I didn't say he was close. My comment is basically a wish, kind of a "what could have been" situation.
- That's the thing. He wasn't going to beat Hillary in 2016. Yet, the Party took it in their hands to hurt him, give Hilary questions to debates, etc. It has always been that way. If you aren't with the Party, you won't get on their ballot.
Highly unlikely.
Sanders was literally the meme about nobody caring about cspan and has a long history of refusing to condemn the particularly brutal communist regimes. And he would have been up against a notorious name caller
- Who are the current brutal communist regimes that Sanders was supposed to condemn that he didn't condemn?

As usual, the voice of sanity.

As usual, he'll be declared unrealistic and unreasonable for it by his own lesser peers and party.

Oh, centrists and trumpists are gonna identically hate this.

Sanders is a centrist
Centre doesn’t mean both sides or in between the right and far right
- No.
  He's left of center. Not anywhere near as far left as neoliberals (who are center right to right wing) and their favourite billionaire owned media outlets pretend or democratic socialist like HE pretends, but still center-left to left wing.
  He's very close to a classic European style social democrat on most issues.
- Centre doesn’t mean in between …
  stop
- Its the reality of America 🇺🇸
- He is literally a democratic socialist.

I have a better idea... why doesn't the US just stop funding murderous fascism everywhere period?

Because being morally upstanding doesn't work when every other country is trying to outmaneuver you geopolitically.
- So maintaining global dominance is so important the US just has to enable war crimes and ethnic cleansing? That’s the logic of fascism.
- Oh, poor, poor US... forced to be the most prolific funder and enabler of fascist terrorism in human history because somebody else twisted it's arm.
  Poor, poor US.
- The same standards should be applied to all countries. Otherwise you're forced into a vicious cycle of an arms race for brutal global domination. This is the purpose of international law and if anything we should be decentralizing and strengthening it.
  https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/20/us-israel-dead-last-in-following-un-charter/
- Because unstable regimes make them and the NRA a lot of profit.
- See also: Russia starting an unprovoked war because of the fears that the evil west will try to geopolitics them.
  See also also: fucking bullshit.
because people still live in the countries even if the governments are bad.
- We don't fund Israel because its people are hungry, we fund them for the military advantage it provides us and this weird thing where half the country thinks that if Jews control Israel, then blue eyed, capitalist Jesus will be able to come and swoop down and carry them away to Heaven before everyone else is smushed by God like grapes in a wine press. It's a whole thing. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/gaza-war-evangelical-leaders-cheer-end-world-1234884151/

How about just not giving Israel aid, period?

If its capable of launching a genocidal crusade, it must be developed and stable enough to not need our fucking purse strings holding it up.

It's a bit more complex than that A random idiot 😔
- I can't tell if you're insulting the person to whom you replied or signing off on your own comment.

We already have laws that prohibit giving military aid to genocidal regimes.

We're just ignoring them.

While Israel has the right to go after Hamas, Netanyahu’s right-wing extremist government does not have the right to wage almost total warfare against the Palestinian people

A nuanced view? Is that allowed?

Not in my experience 😮‍💨

That would be the place (the Senate) to do it, not the Presidency.

This just proves that Sanders is the biggest antisemite. /s

Word.

As a tax-paying citizen can I add we shouldn't be using our money to blow up anyone? I mean sure let's not support Zionist genocide in Gaza to push their "chosen people" racism. But furthermore, can we not bomb Syria or other places or support those who do?

Hmmm sorry, best we can do for you is furrowing our brow while we sign the murder checks. Hopefully that signals our virtues well enough to move on so we can focus on more pressing issues like "are drag queens Satan" and "what should senators wear to work"
- Wait what if we just give the money to the drag queens, too much glitter?

Bernard not doing so hot here in the morals. Even his own staff are condemning him for siding with the oppressors.

Seems like AOC is the only one with a backbone.

I’m also really glad Rashida Tlaib is in congress at a time like this. As a member of the Palestinian diaspora she does not equivocate in the same way other politicians have.

Sanders is unfortunately not great on this issue. He’s been opposed to supporting a ceasefire. I find that’s unforgivable given the war crimes Israel is carrying out.

Also if Sander’s really believes that conditioning aid will do anything then he’s being incredibly naive. This is Israel we’re talking about. It’s been the same ethnonationalist project for 75 years. They can not be trusted.

This would be like handing weapons to a known murderer and serial liar but only if they promise not to use them to kill people. Sure Bernie, that will totally be more effective than just not giving them the weapons in the first place.

He's been better than Biden on it.
- Sure but that’s not saying much.
- He is literally parroting Biden's exact stance here.
Do you think there could ever be a deal reached with Republicans on Ukraine aid without Israel being on the table? I seriously doubt it. Sometimes, you have to dance with the devil. Israel has enough money and weapons to exterminate Palestine whether we give them more or not. Ukraine does not.
Not giving Israel funding will not stop the genocide. Giving Ukraine funding will help stop Russia. The only way you're going to get Republicans to agree to fund Ukraine is to agree to fund Israel. I don't like it, but that's just the only way to get it to work.
- If you're at the point where you're ok with your tax dollars going toward funding and sanctioning indiscriminate genocide in Palestine in order to get around a political issue where the opposite side's pitch is to let the Russian war and genocide against Ukraine get out of hand if you don't bless the other genocide...then wtf are we doing? Just trading genocides to score fucking political points. Is that "compromise"? Absolutely fuck that shit. It's possible to completely stop all funding to Israel until they stop and redirect those resources and funding to Ukraine where they're actually fighting for their land and country. Our political fulcrum has been fucked in this country.
- Yeah, my first thought was "why give Israel any aid?", then I realized that trying to get the US to stop giving aid entity was probably impossible. A compromise like conditional aid is better than unconditional aid. Compromises are unfortunately often necessary in politics, especially with how divided the US is and their historic support for Israel.
- Sanders is not playing the role of a strategic negotiator here. He’s a liberal Zionist. He legitimately believes in arming Israel despite their history of and ongoing support for ethnic cleansing. He just wants Israel to be less obvious about it.
Ceasefire would be an idiot move, so it's nice to see the rare Bernie W.
- If your goal is to exterminate Palestinians then yes a ceasefire is an idiot move. Thankfully most of the world isn’t so bloodthirsty.

Too little, too late. Retire. Make way for those not beholden to utterly corrupt PAC money