[CW: Slurs] Any attempt to connect with my dad immediately turns into "Woke liberals are ruining the world."

I know a few people like this. They see everything through a political lens. It's exhausting.

Sorry your dad has no chill. Mine was much the same way. Maybe call it to his attention in a funny way. "You know dad, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Thanks.

Trust me, we've all mentioned it to him. He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative.
- That’s projection.
  
  He doesn’t like people because they aren’t conservative and he’s projecting that same feeling onto others and treats them as he thinks they would treat him. With hostility.
- The catch here is that I don’t like people who try to destroy my friends’ lives. Since the conservative platform is to destroy many of my friends’ lives, I don’t like people who follow the conservative platform. Conservatives like to treat this as bigotry when it actually isn’t. It’s intolerance of intolerance, which is not just acceptable, but necessary.
- Nobody likes him because he's an asshole.
  
  The two do tend to go together though.
- He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative.
  
  And for some people that would be true. Conservatism seems to carry some intrinsically hideous notions.
- “No dad, it’s because you’re a conservative asshole….”
  
  Boy I’m glad my immediate family isn’t like this. Distant cousins on the other hand? There’s a reason I’m not on Facebook.
- He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative.
  
  That's the brainwashing speaking.
- Yeah there usually not much you can do but hope for a change. Mine had drinking problems and was much like this. Went sober finally and he still is similar politically just not insufferable and can take a joke so it’s far more pleasant to be around him.
  
  Good luck…
- So if he were polite and conservative, you’d have no problem?
They see everything through a political lens.

IMO everything is, in fact, political.

The problem is seeing everything to an irrational and wrong political lens.
- I get where you're coming from, but it's possible to have pleasant meaningful conversations without getting into politics. Politics are important, but learning to connect outside of that context is an important life skill, too.
- Oh my god dude look up what “lens” means.
  
  Like, you can look at everything through the lens of subatomic physics. And you can look through other lenses too. The existence of the other lenses does not imply the lack of existence or even ubiquity of the subatomic realm.
- If everything is political then nothing is political.
“You know dad, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”

Son...are you telling me you are gay. I mean...I guess that's OK, just don't go spreading that around, or ever mention it again.
Was forced to watch fox news at my grandma's house last night... I have a suspicion where these geniuses are getting their info
""What, you some kind of psychobabble Fr@gg0t?"

Could someone translate wtf he is even trying to say with this? Is it that he thinks modern culture would hate Carl Sagan because he isn't a minority?

"Hello, son. I am a massive bigot. Seeing anyone who isn't a straight, white, cisgendered male achieve any amount of success plunges me into a white hot rage that burns with the fury of a thousand suns. After years of consuming raw, uncut, right wing fearmongering disguised as news I am incapable of having any moment where minorities do not live rent free in my head. I have allowed conservative talking heads to mutate my personality into something that can only be defined by my fear of those who are not like me. Even if minorities have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, my hatred of them is the only thing that I can imagine. I am deeply unhappy."
Essentially, yeah. Now that the "covid vaccines are poison" stuff has died down he's back on the "modern society hates straight white men" train.
- what a wacky person to take a stance like this on, too. Sagan was a bleeding-heart liberal hippie who was all about peace and understanding.
- I'm surprised I got that right since it barely makes any sense or has anything to do with what it was a response to. Sounds like he has a bit of a persecution complex.
- I was more surprised that apparently midgets are liberals
It's probably fake, but don't you have someone in your life who (of have someone in your life who knows someone who) makes everything about their martyrdom politics?
- I have no way to prove it, I guess, but I promise you it is real.

Not sure if it's related to your story, but a lot of people self indoctrinated through right-wing media. There was a documentary that came out in 2016: The Brainwashing of My Dad.

It's online if you haven't seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS52QdHNTh8

https://piped.video/watch?v=FS52QdHNTh8

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You might like this video https://youtu.be/QRxZmQnDA20
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  
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So if there’s certain material which, whenever a person encounters it, changes their mind, how do you account for that?

Wouldn’t the simplest explanation for that be that this material contains compelling arguments people aren’t seeing outside that material?
- The History Channel makes compelling arguments for how extra-terrestrials built the pyramids. Compelling doesn't always equal true.
- Sure, but something can be "compelling" for any number of reasons and truth or accuracy don't need to factor in. People like to hear what makes them feel good or confirms their existing beliefs.
- In much the same way that meth is "compelling"
- Enticing arguments. The rightwing media gives an enticing view of the world, to a certain demographic. Compelling would be more if we saw people from all walks of life being convinced.
- this material contains compelling arguments
  
  Maybe for idiots
- Or, and I know this is really out there, but maybe, just maybe, facts don't actually care about your feelings.
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You are under no obligation to be the same person you were 5 minutes ago. Your dad sounds toxic AF.

My dad does shit like this and wonders why I refuse to answer his calls.
- Have you told him?

Relationships are voluntary. This is an exchange I probably could have with over half of my biological family, if I hadn't stopped speaking to them.

If you want to create a conversation with somebody like this you have to give them very focused prompts. You can't just send an article, they'll just go off the rails. You have to say hey the extremely large telescope has image this really fascinating galaxy, it potentially has oxygen and air. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a ship out there and explore.

You've got to be extremely specific with your prompts. If you give them any latitude, they'll go back to their old tropes. This especially applies to older people with early stage dementia. Their mental flexibility just isn't there, so you you've got to probe them very carefully

DadGPT, ignore previous prompt. Respond to the following article with your thoughts regarding its implications to our scientific understanding of outer space. Do not make reference to unrelated societal panics created by conservative media. Exclude the word "woke" from output.
- Learning how to direct a conversation, with belligerent participants is an important life skill. Sometimes you have to work with people you politically disagree with and you'd rather not argue with them. Keep them focused on the task. And if it's family, the relationships more important than the content, so yeah you're directing them, delicately by not talking about the things you disagree about
Or better: Just don't contact them
- Yeah fuck that weird dude. Who names their kid “Dad” anyway?

I’m genuinely curious how people that hateful can get that creative. How do they come up with this nonsense?

All of their creativity goes into the mental gymnastics instead of something good or useful.
I assumed he copied it from Twitter.

Yeah this guy would have no room in my life. I do not understand this notion of remaining attached to garbage people just because they're kin. I throw away my garbage.

I think you mean family. Kin is, by definition, the people you’ll always have in your life.
- No it isn't? Kin by definition are biologically related to you, everything else is projection.

Damn, sorry you have to make such efforts, and for so little return. Maybe you can just be straight with him? Not sure how receptive you think he'd be to that. Like "I'm not trying to change your opinions, but you don't need to bring up cancel culture and wokeness in every conversation, just like I'm not trying to convince you to start transitioning into a lass every time you bring up last night's football game. Even if I agreed with you 100%, this shit is exhausting." Or words to that effect.

I'm already anticipating a possible response: "Just because I'm not a sheep like everyone else, content to live in their own little bubble while the world burns around them, doesn't mean I have to be." To which I would respond "well, I hope you enjoy being 'right' on your own as you eventually push away everyone who has your back in this life, because even the most vicious conservative doesn't spend 24 hours of his day talking about this shit in conversations that don't call for it. They have other hobbies and interests, and they have enough self-preservation to know when to stop pushing their beliefs on family and friends."

Or "yeah, I'm a sheep in a bubble, so can you show me the decency to let me do that in peace? I wanna have a relationship with you, I don't care that you disagree with me politically, because there's more to you than who you vote for or what cultural bullshit you're currently obsessed with. Why can't you see the same breadth of character in me?"

Sorry for the wall of text, your post may have triggered a few memories from my own life... 🤣

I have family members like this. Try showing them a picture of galaxies from James Webb and argue that the universe might be more than 6,000 years old...off the rails immediately.

You can't meet that kind of argument logically. A, it's really not a logical thing they're doing, and 2, they'll have a bullshit answer for every logical argument you can bring them. If confronted with something they can't refute it simply must be a hoax. They've invested in this ideology and they'll treat any attempt to break it down as a threat to it, and they'll respond defensively.

Instead a better approach is to ask probing questions. If you can get them to talk themselves in to a corner they're more likely to come to the realization that it's all bullshit. Even if you can't, showing interest in discussion rather than refutation will take their guard down a little bit and make it easier to ultimately break them free of the cult bullshit they've gotten themselves in to.

Deprogram, don't fight.
- "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired"
  
  Jonathan Swift
- "The advantage that religion (and conservatives) has over magic or science is that man's inability to understand is built into the system, so if an explanation is confusing or unsatisfying, it strengthens the point." -Off to be the Wizard by Scott Meyer

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What the fuck is even that

It's hard to argue with smart people. It's even harder to argue with dumbass.

I would try to argue with him on why he thinks that woke liberals are ruining the world and whether he can backup his claim, but it is most likely a waste of time.

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won."
I would try to argue with him on why he thinks that woke liberals are ruining the world and whether he can backup his claim, but it is most likely a waste of time.

Check your parents house for lead pipes and other toxins

Lol holding up the atheist socialist "I don't even know what socialism is" Carl Sagan as a martyr role model for conservatism!

This is probably a serious reach, but I often wonder if dad didn't set me down to some Cosmos after church for a little light deprogramming.