It’s quite remarkable and disturbing how often I see conversations with Zionists and Israel supporters devolve into this
“Palestinians have tried everything. Israel keeps trying to ethnically cleanse them”
“They haven’t but I wish they did”
I’m too tired to try to deeply psychoanalyze this or whatever but it feels like they deep down understand their position relies on defense of Empire and presupposition of their monopoly of violence against rowdy upstarts, and when backed into a corner they start running their mouths without the usual window dressing.
The other day I saw the line "The only reason why Gaza isn't flattened is because of the outside backlash they would get if they did so. You dont realize how much they hold back". Uhhhh thats not a positive thing?
as funny as that is to think about, black conservatives actually exist and are absolutely integrated into the white supremacist hegemony of the American state and its pro-Israel anti-Palestinian foreign policy. See: Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, black politicians from both bourgeois parties who, if I am not mistaken, have always firmly supported American foreign policy decisions with respect to Israel. The black conservative clergy in America is also supportive of Israel. It is upsetting to remember that even leaders well-loved by the left like MLK were supportive of Israel (despite Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians beginning as early as 1948).
They argued the same thing in defense of the US wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. That the might of the US military is unfairly restricted from unleashing its full potential upon the savages because bleeding heart leftists are holding them back. How cool would it be if we really did wield as much influence as chuds say.
In seriousness, it will really be bad for the Palestinians but I don't think Israel is going to come out of its "special military operation" feeling any less humiliated than in 2006.
Agree. Urban warfare is notoriously casualty intensive and advantages in training and equipment tend to equalize when both sides can reach out and hit the other with a shovel.
The IDF has repeatedly shown that the one thing it can't tolerate is take high casualties and while the IDF might be motivated by revenge, the Palestinians are fighting for their lives.