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Wrongly deported man not leaving El Salvador prison, President Bukele says

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Wrongly deported man not leaving El Salvador prison, Bukele says at Trump meeting

"How can I return him to the United States? I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it. The question is preposterous," Bukele said. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States. We're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country."
"To liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. That's the way it works,” Bukele told Trump. Abrego Garcia has not been charged with terrorism.

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Shutting down the government now and defunding ICE would be great ideas. Also they're using planes for these deportations. Certain unions have power over this.

Is the rest of the Salvadorian society ok with this? I know the guy is incredibly popular there, but how is the rest of the government (congress, courts) ok with this?
- Is the rest of the Salvadorian society ok with this?
  If they make too much trouble for Bukele he will just throw them in there too
  Many arrests appear to be based on the appearance or social background of detainees or on anonymous calls, and Salvadoran and international human rights groups have documented detentions of hundreds of people with no connections to gangs. Detainees include union and community leaders as well as environmental human rights defenders.
  I know the guy is incredibly popular there,
  Imprisoning or killing people who disagree with you will make it appear that way

Trump then turned to Bukele and said of the assembled reporters: "They'd love to have a criminal released into our country. These are sick people."
Garcia has never been convicted of criminal charges in the US or El Salvador. It's hard to overstate what a big fucking problem this is. Due process is dead, you're a criminal because we say so. There is no exaggeration left, justice is dead, we are now, at this very moment, a dictatorship.
Edit to add that Kilmar being deported wasn't a "mistake" like the DOJ claims. Here's Stephen Miller directly using his own words to refute that it was a mistake today. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5248143-stephen-miller-doj-man-mistakenly-deported/
“Nobody was mistakenly deported anywhere. That’s a big fact that all of you, most of you, have gotten wrong. No one was mistakenly sent anywhere. The only mistake that was made is a lawyer put an incorrect line in a legal filing that’s since been relieved. … He is El Salvadorian. He is an illegal alien. He was deported to El Salvador,” Miller told reporters at the White House on Monday.
And just to be clear about something dollar store Dr. Evil said here: no, he was not, and is not, an illegal immigrant. He was granted asylum and was here legally.
Edit to also add that you should read The Jakarta Method if you haven't already. This smacks really strongly of the times laid out in the book right before everything goes to hell in a reactionary takeover.
- EDIT: sorry, not citizen, but nonetheless a legal green card holder who's been determined to be here legally.
  Garcia has never been convicted of criminal charges in the US or El Salvador
  Also, you can't, you know, legally deport a US citizen to an El Salvadorian gulag even if they had committed a crime. Trump here is trying to shift the Overton window from a discussion of if they're a US citizen to if they've committed a crime (they haven't, of course), and it's fucking disgusting.
  At this point, the only criminal I think who deserves to be sent to a deep, dark hole never to return is Mr. 34 Felonies himself.
  EDIT: sorry, not citizen, but nonetheless a legal green card holder who's been determined to be here legally.
  
  I don't think Garcia was a citizen, he was a green card holder, but Trump is openly discussing sending citizens to El Salvador anyway. Nobody's going to stop him anyway, so why the fuck not?
- Garcia isn't a green card holder, but he does have legal status. He's under "withholding removal", which is kind of asylum lite. He can live and work here, and he made regular checkins to prove he was behaving, but the government is allowed to deport him to anywhere except El Salvador, although until this they hadn't tried.
  
  Thank you for the correction!
- Did any of the "reporters" there challenge them on this essential point?
  
  Not that I know of, likely because they don't want to be kicked out. The white house kicked out the AP a while back for asking a question about climate change or some shit. This would get them removed and sued, no doubt, and our news organizations are either complicit or don't have the balls/finances to push back.
- If Trumplethinskin did not like chocolate milk then YOU could disappear FOREVER without a trace...because you like chocolate milk.
  YOU can NOW disappear FOREVER for ANY reason he can make up.

So a man is falsely imprisoned and nobody has the authority to release him?

WHY ISN’T THAT MOTHERFUCKER WEARING A SUIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE!? How DARE he disgrace that office!?

...because they've already executed him...

Man, its getting really hard to keep going to work. Its feeling like its time to just go ape shit on government properties.
- I see you have commented about those intentions a few times. I don't know how serious you are about opsec, but in these times I would refrain from publicizing any violent intentions without at least being in a secure account I have only ever accessed via Tor, and I wouldn't post personal stuff like cat pictures or mentions of any siblings in that account. Please, be safe
- I feel you there. I literally just started a new job today but I don’t see the place I’m working at to keep me long anyway.

To liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. That’s the way it works
If we can first deal with this shit right now in the US with Trump, Bukele is next.

So… is Supreme Court just going to roll over after making an order?
I mean I assume yes but I would hope literally anyone in the government whose job it is to do something about this would…
- Every single function of government that was intended to prevent something like this has failed. Different tools will be necessary to address this.
- Ah, that's the beauty of it. The order was to "facilitate" his release, which they've already said means they only have to make it easier for him to return. If El Salvador doesn't return him, that's the end of their responsibilities. They don't have to do jack shit, and the supreme court doesn't have to enforce anything. Everybody wins (except democracy and freedom in the US, but that's a small price to pay for a bunch of fascist goons to save face).
- Yes, they've been going out of their way to thread the needle of not declaring the constitution dead while simultaneously allowing Donald to be king. I've heard that they're trying to avoid triggering a constitutional crisis because they're afraid they'll lose, but to roll over and not enforce the constitution provides functionally no difference than if they had lost a constitutional crisis.
  
  but to roll over and not enforce the constitution provides functionally no difference than if they had lost a constitutional crisis.
  Oh, it makes a very big difference... to them. If they pick a fight with Trump and lose, they go to the gulag. If they appease him, they might not go to the gulag.
- How are they to enforce it?
  Same question goes to international courts frequently. Can rule all you like, it's all meaningless if you can't enforce it and those subject to your rulings don't care enough to listen.
  
  they can deputize the citizenry
  
  Assign those in contempt of court to the El Salvador gulag to help them "facilitate"

This destroys their earlier argument that they don't have jurisdiction and interpret the ruling to only require them to remove US barriers to his return, not actually make it happen. Here's the guy they claim has jurisdiction saying the only reason he won't send him home is because he can't make the US accept him.
The court needs to make a concrete order immediately that they shall accept him back, pay for any travel expenses, and cease payment for his incarceration. And until they demonstrate that they have a method to fix mistakes, bar any further transfers.
- Here's the guy they claim has jurisdiction saying the only reason he won't send him home is because he can't make the US accept him.
  I can promise you this quote is going to be in Abrego Garcia's next court filing.
  
  I actually already have a copy of the DOJs response to that filing:
  🖕

"Oopsie... Too late," Bukele wrote with a crying laughing emoji on X the next day alongside a screenshot of a news report on the judge's decision."
The innocent is very well dead and I'm confident the reason why El Salvador's president says, "he can't send him back" is because he's getting money for the prisoners to be there from the Trump administration. Facts and evidence is out the window, it's their way or El Salvador.

Well, well...
What're the chances Mafia Don Mangolini "enticed" Bukele to say exactly this...
🙄 🤡 🖕 🖕
- It's public record that the US government is paying him to incarcerate these people, I'm certain this exact scenario that's playing out right now was an unwritten part of that deal
  
  Unwritten... maybe. Unspoken...???
  
  It's the same reason weed is still illegal...
  If for profit prisons use prisoners as slave labor, they don't just want violent criminals, violent criminals are hard to manage.
  They want innocent nonviolent people.
  Like, if they get $X for each prisoner, this guy is way easier to handle then someone who actually is a violent gang member. There's no way they'd want to send him back. They want him as long as possible

CECOT was always designed to be a Gulag.
No access to legal counsel No rehabilitation No release dates Forced labour No talking
American taxpayers are literally paying for a Gulag in another country that will eventually be housing American citizens (the “home-grown” comment).

The American people should mob Bukele and hold him hostage until a prisoner swap can be arranged.

Boycott El Salvador!

I expected terrible but Trump trampling on the Constitution at least 5(?) times within his first 100 days is still pretty shocking.

What part of "wrongly" are they choking on?

How are the FMLN working with this? It cannot be a popular move to import several hundred "criminal gangsters" when your country already suffers from major prison overcrowding.
- They don't need to. A big chunk of El Salvador believes human rights violations are a good thing so the more the merrier. It sounds terrible but even the Cartels aren't as bad when it comes to abusing civilians as the Maras (they're getting there, though) so it's understandable that they have an immense resentment. This is how Bukele even got to power in the first place.

"What are you fucking kidding?" bukele asked. "I put the muzzle to his head and pulled the trigger exactly when your video showed you making the finger gun at the camera, just like you told me to "
"Oh yeah, that was a good video I made, lots of people are going to see it "
/S

Lemme guess tho! The same americans who talk shit about people who live in dictatorships and cheered their bombings of nations like Iraq/Afghanistan etc…. they will sit at home on their iphones and on the couch, while a tv show streams on the tv on the wall in front of them… and they’ll post so many comments and stuff.
Lol but no chance in hell Americans tomorrow actually stand up and kick out this guy. Literally nothing will change at all. Other than the position of the sun in the sky.

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