We Don’t Surrender: Merging Canada Into The U.S. Would Be Too Absurdly Difficult To Even Discuss

Can you imagine seeing a southerner screaming at a French Canadian for not speaking English? I can and I kinda wanna see where it goes now.

why are we still discussing it then?
that was clearly meant just to provoke.

Can Canada just annex NYS then? No need to merge them all together, just take my state for now, and see how it goes.
- All right but you have to agree that Montreal make the better bagels.
  
  As a non-NYC resident, I will accept this.

You don't start off a "this will never be acceptable" with a list of things that would need to be resolved; it just turns it into a negotiation.

Why are we talking about how difficult it would be? It's not acceptable, we don't want it, and we make the decisions about our nation.
- we make the decisions about our nation.
  of course you do

i dunno about you but i'd love it if new england became a canadian province, can we just like literally do the exact opposite of what the mandarin chief wants and let canada absorb some of the US? please? Fucking PRETTY PLEASE????
- 😉 You folks have a funny accent, you should take New Scotland, New Brunswick, NFLD and Labrador because they talk funny too. (jkg of course)
  
  i'm from western MA so they don't have to worry about me talking about Pahkin da Cah at Hahvahd Yahd :p

would joining the two countries be better for everyone? in some ways, yes . in a lot of ways, no
but no matter what way you spin it. it falls flat on its face after a bucket of cold realism is thrown over you.
The reality is Canadians would lose their rights as citizens and would be at best, passengers living in poverty. and at worst, would be slaves
hundreds of thousands would go into poverty, be imprisoned by the occupants for not following their rules, or just straight up be deported or murdered. and yes I said occupants, it would be a military occupation for generations before the occupants even thought the new territory was ready to have some new states carved out. Until then look no further than Donetsk and Luhansk in Ukraine, what goes on there? Natives are evicted and killed, Immigrants from the "core" are shipped in to take their homes, the news shows off some north korean style tranquil scenes of everything working out fine, and there's small fake ballot stuffed elections to pretend all is well since the takeover.
there are a select few things I'd be envious of being part of the US over. but the fact remains that im not a fucking idiot, and It would be a net negative for every single person in my country. I'm not going to play devils advocate for people who would be trying to kill us

There's no discussion. Fuck off or declare war

What? No it wouldn't!
I mean yes it would in application. But the human species has been invading and changing governments in other countries since the dawn of time.
It's possible. I assure you.
And I also wouldn't be upset if it happened. As an American.
- You're not welcome here.
  
  This is a world news sub... Not a patriotic America is awesome sub.
  You're not welcome here.
- As an American, I'd be upset if it happened. It's bonkers to just be like, "oh other sovereign nation NBD you no longer exist," absolute madness.
  Besides we could just (re)negotiate the trade agreements we have in place which apparently are so bad. I wonder who did a bad job with them last time we changed the framework and name of NAFTA ... Oh right the Trump admin.
  There's no good reason, in my point of view, we couldn't have an equivalent to the EU for North and South America - freedom of movement, establishing standards, less friction when it comes to trade - but that would require some true visionaries with a lot of influence and power to work. I doubt it would come to be but I wouldn't be upset if it happened.
  Won't someone please rid us of the meddling orange man and his sad lonely billionaire buddy.

So stop discussing it. Dumb mfers take the bait every time.
- I'm so sick of this bullshit. No. Stop talking about it.
  
  American here, keep talking about it.
  The world would be a better place if American and Canada became one country.
  The only people who would lose out are Canadians, but everyone else would be better off for it.

A lot of these hypotheticals can be answered by "we'll just slaughter anyone who makes a fuss" because that's where our country's moral framework will be if we ever march troops across the border. Like an ultra nationalist fascist state is going to concern itself with old treaties and popular sentiments.
- From a Canadian prespective, we would commit all the war crimes we could against an invading force, especially one we could not fight a conventional war against and win.
  Im talking sending American GIs home in unrecognizable condition.
  I dont care what government is in power by then. Invade Canada and be prepared to die in horrible ways, mutilated, and sent back to your loved ones in chunks.
  This is the only way we could win a war against the US and we would not hesitate to do it.
  
  You shouldn't hesitate. And some USians would like to join you in eradicating the fascists.
  
  Realistically, we are so fucked. One single bomb on a highway or railway can completely decimate any one of our province's ability to move people or goods and perform services. Our border is too long and wild to be defendable. And they could probably take out our entire military logistics in a single night of bombings. All of this isn't even to mention that if they wanted to go all out insane they could make nuclear threats if the Canadian government doesn’t capitulate. I'm not saying we couldn't resist once occupied, it's just fucking hideous to think about.
  
  The Geneva checklist
  
  I've noticed this bluster among Canadians.
  It's just bluster. I think surrendering is in your blood thanks to the French.
  
  That would be stupid. When Italians were conscripted to fight against British soldiers in Africa, most of them didn't even like Mussolini. So what did they do? The surrendered and sat the rest of the war out.
  That wouldn't have happened if the allies had a policy of mutilating their prisoners.
  Fascism is a hate movement, and hatred is self-destructive. You can't defeat an enemy with hatred you'll only destroy yourself.
  Offer an out for those that want to sit it out. Those that won't, are targets that need to be eliminated. Not a target of your fucked up torture fantasies.

Why would anyone think twice about this ridiculous word fart from a demented rapist?
Move on, nothing to see here.

What about going the other way, we take up the metric system and coins for our 1 and 2 dollars instead of paper bills?
- Aviation has just got its dick stuck too hard in the imperial can. Having to teach material where g=32 makes me want to eat glass.
- We've tried dollar coins a couple times.
  
  But never with taking away the bills. Get rid if the bills and force the coins and voilà.
  
  Aren't dollar coins used in the US? Because I've used them in dollarized economies (e.g. Ecuador) and I assumed they were fairly standard everywhere.
- In terms of the metric system, just tell Americans that they're still using the occupier's system (British redcoats). 😉
  
  Ugh, we're not even. We're using the US customary system, which uses the British words but aren't the same values as British Imperial values. They're actually pegged to the metric system, so if the definition of a kilometer changed, so would the definition of a mile.
  We're using metric with extra steps. Not to mention certain products are already in metric, and everything else has the metric on it already.
- The U.S. already uses the metric system in strategic areas like the military, space exploration and scientific research.
  It would be quite cost prohibitive to replace all the road signs so we’re keeping the imperial system for day to day stuff.
  
  It's too bad they took away all the dual marked road signs when that dick Reagan killed the conversion to metric.

He never actually meant it. Why does nobody get it? It's a distraction. Stop fuelling it. This headline is exactly what Trump wants.
- Anchoring is legitimately a negotiation technique where you start with an absurd demand to set the framing of the haggling.
  Ie now the idea of expanded sea port security integration doesn't seem like a crazy thing to exchange for elimination of tariffs.
  But guess what, expanded sea port security integration would drastically reduce our ability to economically pivot in the face of future tariff threats. Ie if expanded sea port security integration means the USA can prevent us from using our sea ports.
  
  Should probably include the periods in i.e.
  I'm guessing you're on a phone.
- You don’t know that, and Project 2025 states that foreign affairs must be subject to national interests. The GOP is prioritizing access to strategic minerals as a long term goal. DT has stated the annex desire repeatedly and consistently.
  At the least, the economic assault is not a distraction, and it is obviously the initial stage in an escalation. People are already affected, and pissed.

I vote for a trial where we test Canada taking the Western states.
- ...and the Northeast too, please.
- That would be cool, especially California, then we'd have somewhere warm to visit. LOL
  
  Um… you can't take California without also taking us in Oregon and Washington with you!
  
  It's all about perspective...Live in Manitoba or Saskatchewan for awhile and virtually everywhere is warm to visit.
  (Ok maybe I'm still a little salty about the -40 temps and my pipes freezing three times this winter.)

Yet here you are discussing it.

Canadians don't have an effective military.
Are they suggesting they would resist the US by force? That'd be a bad idea, way worse than joining.
- Yeah, start a war with a nation you share the longest unsecured boarder with, filled with people who look and sound like you, who also have a history of record geneva convention additions. That sounds like a great idea, what with the USs great track record at winning wars of insurgencies.....
- Nah. Fucking do it. Let's start WWIII. At this point it would be USA against Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Panama, Greenland, Ukraine...
  Let's get the entire world to gang up on America like we ganged up on Germany a few years ago
  
  Greenland brings in Denmark and Denmark all of Europe
  
  That's not a war, dude.

The most disturbing part is that everyone is still discussing it.
You give him power by taking his mouth diarrhea as something more than just that.
- Enough of this. Nobody took him seriously in 2015 and we got what we got. You're not going to head him off by talking or not talking about him.
  Trump does not have a sense of humor or a long-term tactical mindset. He speaks whatever is on his incomprehensibly selfish mind. When he says over and over and over again that he could run for a 3rd term, he means it. When he says over and over and over again that he thinks Canada should be annexed, he means it.
  
  Thank you. It's just so f'ing baffling how many people still think the right approach to Trump is to underestimate, ignore, or otherwise write him off. We know what happens when we do that. This lesson has been taught to us time and time again and it's carried Trump to the White House twice.
  
  This whole thing came out of accidentally calling Trudeau 'govenor'. Trump made a simple mistake, but it's the reaction he got that caused this to keep going. Trump is a bully and bullies thrive on getting reactions. It could have been stopped early if we ignored his dumb ass then, but now it is too late and we need to show strength to get him to back down.
- The cold, honest truth is that Trump needed a rival.
  He's literally unrivaled because Bernie lost to hillary in the 2016 primary.
  I blame everyone who voted for her in the primary for why we now have 2 trump presidencies. They would rather have Trump than reduce the disparity in wealth.
  Greed won and entitlement won, again.
- My opinion is that Trump negotiates this way - Ask for something outlandish and breathe a sigh of relief when he settles for something less. Gets press — but you're right about power. However the news being the way it is on a continuous cycle, content is needed. He understands that.
- You feed his mouth diarrhea back to him. Waterboard his face with it.

Don’t give a reason, they’ll just say it’s not a problem. Just say no

Ignore border....done. No big deal. Lol. But why? Because an idiot wants to ruin another country? I much rather wait for better times like when we obtain similar health benefits maybe?

The ONLY way Canada would ever even entertain considering joining the US is if they give up their guns and implement a training and licensing regime based on gun ownership being a privilege, not a right. They would have to implement universal health care and get rid of the parasite class of unnecessary profit sucking health insurance companies. They would have to agree that every citizen has the absolute right to vote, electoral boundaries must be set by a non-partisan commission, that every citizen has free and equal access to the ballot box, and elections are carried out by marking an X on a piece of paper using a stubby pencil, putting that piece of paper in a cardboard box, opening that cardboard box at the end of the night, counting the ballots, calling in the count, and declaring a winner by midnight on election day. That religious freedom means that you can practice your religion however you want right up until it has any effect on anyone other than you and then it stops and that religious freedom is NOT the right to discriminate. That everyone is equal, has the right to love and marry whoever they want. That workers have rights, get vacation, sick leave, parental leave, bereavement leave, and that those things are entitlements. That free speech doesn't include hate speech, racism, discrimination, harassment, or doxing. It's none of anyone's fucking business what anyone does with their body and women have the absolute and exclusive right to make decisions about their healthcare with their healthcare provider.
That's just a start. If you can't agree to those conditions then it's a non-starter.