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This article was nominated for deletion on 26 September 2023. The result of the discussion was keep.
So like a lot of posts on here this is just anger bait missing important context
I can understand the anger in why deletion was even a topic to be discussed in the first place. Cause it embarrasses us????
The notability of the subject was brought into question. Shitlibs obviously got involved, but I don't really think anything unreasonable happened here.
There’s a lot of dumbass comments and suggestions all over the internet. Why dig for them and give them more publicity just to stoke anger?
The real Documenting a new wave of fascist apologia in the west was the friends we made along the way
Are you documenting it? Or just shitposting on hexbear?
The latter.
really, how dare we post about things on a website made for posting. Shameful, really.
How dare you share something grotesque and worth shitting on among like-minded comrades. Don't you know this is a place purely for stories that are important in and of themselves and which our posting can directly change?
Things posting can directly change:
- How bigmad lemmitors are
- Uh
- I think that's it
If the shit posts on the walls of Pompeii could become history, why not Hexbear?
Hurr hurr why oppose things ever just ignore them hurr hurr I'm sure failure to oppose things won't hasn't had any negative consequences in the last 50 years of rising fascism hurr hurr.
I agree my point is this person isn’t even aware of you all calling them out.
It serves to educate newer people that haven't seen points before, and to reinforce and refresh the established views of a group.
It's irrelevant whether this person knows they're being discussed. You don't oppose fascists by debating the fascists, they're already gone and only a bullet will fix them. You oppose fascists by inoculating people that aren't fascist yet and pushing new people left.
The time to talk about non-violent ways to prevent the rise of fascism was 10 years ago, and should have included the shut down of all reactionary online media and sites that foster it (4chan etc). It should have included rounding up the people susceptible to it or already affected by it and doing re-education. Call it rehabilitation if libs like that word better for exactly the same thing. But shit is too far gone now, there are too many and rounding up and re-educating literally millions of people is no longer viable. Things are already on an inevitable progression to violence. In the meantime, inoculation and growing the left is all that can be done, other than advocating that you get armed.
I appreciate the detailed response and agree. I’m new here and just trying to get past the pigpoop emojis for the most part. Hexbear feels like 4chan sometimes which is making me concerned.
Heh. Eventually you'll get used to the fact people here can be rude or obnoxious at times and realise that this behaviour is really something that can be overlooked 99% of the time. Liberals want you to hate this behaviour and to socially reject it because, as flawed as it is, it's common among the poor and working class working through emotions, having hard days, and generally just acting out. They want you to adhere to a set of socially defined rules created by the upper and middle income groups that reject and marginalise the people in society that are having the hardest time. This behaviour however is not the problem, the problem is bigotry, racism, hatred of the poor, hatred of the marginalised, and the inherent methods through which these people are marginalised and through which the liberals maintain the status quo of their marginalisation.
Learn to ignore the tone with which something is said and instead to look at the merit and content of what they are saying. Keep the person behind the words in mind, think about what they may be going through or have gone through in order to end up the way they are. In particular keep this in mind for when you come across a trans or black person who will inevitably say something that shocks you about the violent retribution they feel some people in this world deserve. Many of them have been through hell, many of us have lost people, it's not really a game out there.
Yeah there's some obnoxious behaviours here. But the goals people have? We want to build a better world, they want something considerably worse.
I appreciate the write up. I admit I’ve been burnt out on interactions with people on the internet for a while now. I see people express something I agree with online but have become jaded from a a decade or two of real world experiences. Just want to make a positive change but don’t know how.
Just want to make a positive change but don’t know how.
You understand the issue with 4chan is the reactionary, violent, and fascist content right????
Not that they're abrasive or whatever.
The actual issue is that they want to genocide minorities.
What the hell about this instance makes you feel like any of that is tolerated here?
I’m comparing it to the rude vulgar and shitty meme emojispam that I remember from 20 years ago. Haven’t been on it since then when it was mostly just dumb internet humor way before it turned into what you’re explaining.
Yeah idk what to say except that we're not so much concerned with vulgarity as genocide. But you do you, get mad about tone or whatever
I appreciate the detailed response and agree. I’m new here and just trying to get past the pigpoop emojis for the most part. Hexbear feels like 4chan sometimes which is making me concerned.
Yeah let's not point out the explosion of neo-nazi propaganda all over the internet or the liberals who have normalized it, yeah let's just ignore it, cause that always works out
The mere attempt at holocaust denial should always elicit anger
the point of this post is "some libs are trying to erase history now. look, here is an example."
whether they succeed or fail in this one instance is a lot less interesting than the fact of the attempt.
it's a cultural barometer.
The "important context" was that there was even a discussion about deletion in the first place, demonstrating that neo-nazis agitation has seeped into every corner of the internet
Frankly if you consider that "bait" or something not worth getting angry about then that says something about you