android companies vs apple
Article for context:https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870522/iphone-15-pro-max-thread-smartphones (Ik that I am talking about multiple companies when I refer to android companies but many singular companies make more innovations in the phone space compared to apple)
I’d argue that all phone innovation has been pretty stagnant or even regressive lately. I think the only feature that’s been released by anyone lately that I’ve wanted my phone to have has been the magnet on the back to make mounts and wireless chargers less complicated. How it took these companies that long to put a magnet back there is beyond me. Then Apple “innovated” by removing the headphone jack so they could make more money selling wireless headphones after they bought Beats and for who knows what reason, all of the android phone makers eventually followed. I can see the use of a foldable screen, but I’m not buying one until it doesn’t add a permanent crease down the middle of my unfolded screen. If someone releases a privacy focused phone that’s not tied to Google with four years of guaranteed, timely updates, has a big enough screen with no notch, headphone jack, and magnet on the back they can have my money.
I could argue several reasons to avoid a folding phone. The crease isn't one of them. Yes, I feel it while swiping across the screen, but it's so unnoticeable while using the phone, it's a non-issue.
Mind elaborating on those reasons? I'm also a Fold owner and I love it more than any other phone I've ever owned. If there are cons that I'm missing, I'd like to know before I go buy another one of these in a year or two.
I didn’t realize that. All the display models I’ve seen have been off and it’s very prevalent. I’d also question the durability of the hinge (but I guess it’s not much different than a flip phone) and how the OS is set up to handle it.
Essentials Phone was a promising innovator. Wireless USB magnetic interface on back. They released a 360 camera and a digital anolog jack...then then bankrupcy
What the fuck is a thread radio
There's a new protocol for smart home devices called Matter, that let's them work across ecosystems (so for example smart lights set up with Google Home could be controlled through Apple HomeKit via Matter). Thread is part of how Matter devices communicate with each other (instead of e.g. WiFi or Bluetooth). The new iPhones can directly use Thread instead of needing another devices to act as a bridge to "translate" the commands
A fairly niche addition, but definitely not useless. And a big plus for those into smart home stuff
I think it's more useful than those glyphs on the nothing phone. They're just a gimmick to sell a mediocre mid-end phone
Notably the homepod mini had thread radios and could act as a thread router as one of the earliest devices out there, might be that apple is going to push harder for this and has plans for it's own thread enabled Smart Home products.
Huh. Did a little reading and it honestly does sound pretty useful. I'm not crazy about the corporate sponsorship of the consortium but there's a lot of open source licensing to promote adoption so it's not all bad. Neat. I could get behind doing a couple little custom home automation projects using that kind of network.
Why would I want a folding phone? I want my phone to be as rigid as possible.
Hiding the front cameras is the only real innovation I guess, but Oneplus managed it in 2019 with the 7 Pro so it's not exactly a recent innovation.
Cause having a tablet in your pocket is awesome and comes in useful regularly
Being able to use your phone with multiple screen sizes and formats depending on what you're doing.
Also: being able to put the phone at 90degs and use it as either a camera or flash light stand.
I'm carrying a tablet everywhere I go because I edit a lot of photos. A folding phone would save 400 grams in my sling
Ah maybe that makes sense in your use case then, yes. Personally I need a physical keyboard and a full feature OS so a laptop is unavoidable.
Folding phones would make sense if I could fold/unfold them twice and get 4x the space with same aspect ratio, transforming a phone into a tablet. Otherwise it's just a gimmick and waste of money. I know some people might praise these for multi-tasking but I can't see myself doing two things at the same time on a freakin' phone (maybe except reading a book in foreign language and using a dictionary at the same time which is what I do often) and I would rather grab a laptop for that.
Why would I want a folding phone? I want my phone to be as rigid as possible.
Well, if rigidity is what's holding you back, there are some devices out there that won't disappoint . The prices are quite high though, but they've come a long way from their first iteration...
Oh it's far from the only thing. I also prefer smaller and cheaper phones.
I own an iPhone 13 mini and love the form factor. I still remember when this phone would've been considered big.
I got a good deal on a Fold 4 and it's been great. It's literally a tablet in your pocket and with multi-window it's about as capable as a PC for most tasks. Having such a large screen and 2-3 apps open at once is great whenever you're trying to get anything done.
Before the Fold though, I also had the Oneplus 7 Pro and I think that phone still looks more modern than anything else I see out there today because of the uninterrupted notch-less display. If they didn't give it up for a hole-punch on the 8 I would have probably stuck with them.
God I miss that phone so much. Was forced to upgrade when Sprint and T-Mobile merged. Been using a pixel since and it just isn't the same.
Screen real estate? Also see here.
I think he was pretty spot on, but didn't touch on one of the most important issues. You have to be careful with the inner screen. Keep the nail tappers away, watch how you press to fold the phone, etc.
My phone feels loved. And is still, unlike all apple devices my family's used, fully functional and not in need of replacement.
Sent from my OnePlus 7 Pro
It's only 4 years old. There are still plenty of people using 7 year old iphones
That said, the 7 Pro was cool and I loved it, till I realized I couldn't use my bank app is I wanted a custom rom so I just gave it to my mom and got an iPhone because if I can't tinker, I don't want a platform that needs tinkering to get it just right lol
OnePlus 6 user says hello from LineageOS
Bring back physical keyboards!
Yes, that would be great
My dream phone is iPhone hardware with ability to run whatever OS you want like Raspberry Pi.
This is all I want. I'll settle for an iPhone when apple fully complies with EU regulations. Once they officially allow third party app stores I'll be interested, and at that point I wouldn't know the difference between the two
I would still want Android phones experimenting with strange features and would honestly take a device I could modify to add on those features but then I guess it can be coded like an accessory
Let's not give the Android manufacturers too much credit for innovation. My 6 year old LG V20 has more features than anything coming out these days.
Iphone does have some cool, closed garden things, eg, airtags.
Yes. Android has alternatives, none of which are nearly as good as airtags.
Defending a product by trying to upsell with accessories has got to be the most Apple thing
I'd think of defending its accessories as things like; lightning/USB-C to 3.5mm jacks... which android phones also have.
At this point, airtags are all but a product unto themselves, except that you need an iphone to use them. But they are an incredibly cool product, which I can't use because I am not in the apple ecosystem (and haven't been since shortly after Steve Jobs kicked the can).
I could also point out that including LIDAR in their phones is cool, and has opened up new features and functions within various apps. You could also say that Crash Detection and Emergency SOS via satellite are "Killer Features" too.
But with all that said, attacking people over their opinions is very much a fanboy thing to do.
Tile was around for years before "airtags"
Yes, but tile doesnt work on the mesh network of iPhones everywhere. If I lose my wallet on the bus, I can find that bus or the person who stole my wallet thanks to other people owning Apple phones reporting it to mine over the internet.
Honestly, I doubted this, and looked it up.
Why do you think in only a few years AirTags have become so ubiquitous, while tile has had nearly a decade on them, and are so barely known?
Android literally came out with a universal air tag system. Works the same as air tags, but you can go with any brand you want.
Plus the fact there's more Android devices out there, it's more useful.
And they backported the tracking feature in Google services, so old devices that don't get updates anymore will be able to use the new system.
Really? Because the only ones I've seen have been based on the "Tile" system.
At last check: Requires everyone to have the system on the phone and turned on (Opt in vs opt out), and don't have user replaceable batteries (manufactured ewaste).
And your implied claim that Android is an open system and lets any developers in while Apple do not is also false, for example: https://www.momax.net/en-us/products/br5
Huawei's new phones can make satellite calls and texts out of the box, much more innovative than the glyph gimmic from Nothing.
oh yah when you put it like that, hidden underscreen cameras seems scary
Hidden as in you can't see it, not hidden as in you don't know it's there. Everyone knows phones have front cameras. And if someone could get access to that, they could watch you just as easily through a not hidden front camera...
The obsession boring people have with thinking that someone is going to hack their webcam and record some sort of salacious content of them is astoundingly broad. To the point that very mundane people have web cam covers for their laptops or the little piece of post-it note taped over. Like people, no one gives enough of a shit about you that they will hack your camera and even if they did what are you doing that you care so much? If the answer is nothing then you are the last person that needs to worry about someone hacking a fucking webcam.
/rant
Why?
Small iterative improvements vs big “innovation” failures?
All of the features mentioned above have had a minimum of two iterations (nothing phone 2 has a new glyph) and numerous internal test samples.
Folding phones are flimsy bits of plastic-screened crap that are just as expensive as two separate, better phone and tablet. And many apps barely work anyway.
Glyph interface is a pointless gimmick.
Under-screen cameras produce terrible images.
There are lots of reasons to hate Apple, but none of these are.
I mean I'm on my fold 5 right now while watching a YouTube video and responding to messages at the same time... doesn't feel like a gimmack to me. In fact I kind of feel like it's going to be hard to ever go back to a single form factor phone.
Tbh you can do that on a regular phone using a popup player on YouTube (I recommend NewPipe).
Now the true reason to be excited for fold phones is DS and 3DS emulation 🧐
Not to mention my wife's flip cost less than my s23 uktra, and probably less than the s23 plus. It needs a new screen protector, but its held up against open and closed drops, including on concrete
I didn't say folding phones are a gimmick, I said they're fragile and bad value propositions.
These weren't presented as reasons to hate Apple.
Why the f would I want an unblockable front camera though, I hate that idea
It's "hidden" behind the screen, meaning there's to hole or cutout in the screen for the front camera. It's not perfect and you can still see where the camera is.
You think apple doesn't track how often you blink? They just don't tell you they do, because they don't have to tell you.
Ignorance is bliss here.
There are no ads in iphone apps? Battery life is not much different in my experience It's similar, but you can mitigate that on Android, not so much on iphone.
Only android phone with tensor is Google pixel. There is much more to android than that. I still get 9-10 hours screen on time, off of one charge on a three year old android device with a 120hz screen. Apple definitely tracks you and free apps definitely have ads. On Android, private DNS allows you to essentially block ads system wide. And Android has advantages such as pop up and multi window apps for multitasking, I've been using that for 10 years now, since the galaxy S4. Apple still does not have this feature on the iPhone, only the iPad.
The advantages of an iPhone are the cohesive software experience with top class hardware and a premium feel, with top class video quality. In that they are alone at the top.
I'm surprised that this whole "android vs apple" thing is still going on...
At least it's not Windows vs. Apple anymore
Wish it was. The Linux community shitting on Windows is worse.
The whole green vs blue bubble thing has to be the most idiotic debate I've ever seen in my life. At least here people seem to be comparing real features, but still just buy whatever has what you want. Especially when iPhone 15 comes out with USB-C charging.