Lebanese girl becomes most notable victim of pager blasts
Lebanese girl becomes most notable victim of pager blasts
10-year-old Fatima Jaafar Abdullah was killed in pager explosions in Lebanon.
Israel murders another kid again.
If iPhones had explosives planted in them straight out of the factory and would've went off in New York all at the same time, injuring thousands and endangering people around them, the 24/7 news cycle would've already called for total annihilation and what not.
Oh man, the bill to go to war with China would have been ratified in milliseconds.
Indeed. I'm paging Nasrallah right now that he should update his manifesto
Oh, wait...
I believe the devil's advocate argument would be that, based on Hezbollah's internal communications, the Mossad intercepted a shipment of pagers which were being purchased to replace their (potentially compromised) mobile phones, knowing that these were - in theory - being distributed exclusively to Hezbollah operatives. That would make it the most precise military strike of all time.
Everyone who launches a rocket is accepting the possibility of "collateral damage", but this is surely the most surgical of surgical strikes in history. And yet, yes, they must have accepted the risk of bystander casualties, which just serves to highlight how awful that logic is. It's definitely not worse than randomly firing into a crowd, though.
That would make it the most precise military strike of all time.
Pretty sure that honor still goes to the R9X Slap Chop. The pager explosions, on the other hand, injured thousands.
I feel like people are missing one of the more heinous aspects of this, which is that it injured thousands of people and only managed to kill ~10 of their targets. The outcome of this attack is going to be general terror and potentially hundreds of life altering injuries but very little military advantage.
Correct.
Killing civilians isn't a war crime. Deliberately killing civilians, or not taking reasonable steps to minimize civilian casualties is a war crime.
"Small" explosive that is embedded in something passed to and likely worn by the target is unlikely to be a war crime. If they somehow snuck a 1000lb bomb into one it absolutely would be however.
Turns out they weren’t.
It’s literally a war crime to attack people who are not actively participating in combat. That includes people who are members of your enemy’s military.
Not that I think the Israel is the good guy in this conflict, but your argument is pretty weak.
Pager are designed to be trackable. If you have such deep access to these devices, you know exactly who got called by whom and when.
Yes, there will be collateral damage, but that's almost a given in any armed conflict.
Israel continues doing bad things. Not much of a shock.
Still needs to be called out each time it happens.
Frustrating to do another long-form argument of "actually, when you distribute a bunch of explosives and set them off in crowded areas, you're not fighting terrorism but doing terrorism"
For some reason people struggle to believe flinging hand grenades into a crowd is bad public policy when a US ally does it.
this is considerably more targeted at the actual bad guys than their usual MO of bulldozing palastinian neighborhoods though so... an improvement?
'hey at least it's not genocide, it's just *lite' terrorism
There's no proof of that and I'm not trusting mossad lies.
Truly the depravity of Israel knows no limits.
It seems they did learn some stuff from WW2.
Y'know, by the standards of a military assault, this one was actually pretty targeted. So far there's a handful of children in thousands of casualties, who mostly fit the profile of a military or military-adjacent individual. Compare that to a ground assault of your choice, by any military anywhere.
Let's shit on them for all the actual atrocities they've done.
I'm going to shit on them for this too. I don't need to give them any credit.
You mean killing children as par for the course, or killing people who are attending a funerary rite for other people who were killed by the same killer, is somehow not an atrocity?
know, by the standards of an Israeli military assault, this one was actually pretty targeted
FTFY, and yeah, at least this time they didn't actively bomb a known humanitarian corridor or refugee camp, so that would be comparatively targeted.
I am quite shocked after reading the comments. There are some people who believe Israel are the victims, after all what Israel did this past few months.
Manufactured consent is a helluva drug
I have a some question(s).
Did all pagers in Lebanon just explode or was it only targeted pagers of terrorists that exploded? where they rigged with explosives? how can such a small device in the hands of so few people hurt so many people if they were not rigged with explosives? Was it only terrorist using pagers or is this still a thing i Lebanon?
Allegedly the shipment was intercepted and there was semtex installed
Hezbollah decided to switch to using pagers because you can't track them. Not sure if anyone else (eg. Medical personnel) was also using them.
Doesn't matter if it was hizbollah pagers or not. Hizbollah fighter also had to live normal life, go to shops to buy food etc
This is why i also ask if they were rigged with explosives or they somehow made the batteries explode or smth. There are no details in the local news but clips of some guy falling over because something in his pocket exploded. This made no sense that something like that, could cause 2750 injuries unless almost 3000 pagers exploded in a similar way, especially because everything around these guys, was barelly affected!
Hezbollah fighter could choose to live normal life and not be a member of Hezbollah. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas...
It is a huge technical operation to intercept an order and replace it with modified devices without the target knowing. Particularly when the target has to be extra careful in ordering things in the first place to avoid sanctions.
In contrast sending out an "execute order 66" message is pretty trivial to trigger them
There are videos capturing lots of explosions going off simulataneously. Since pagers already can recieve messages and these devices were deeply infiltrated, they likely added a special trigger message to set them off. THis could also allow other scenarios, like only setting off one (for whatever reason).
I would say it was the Iranian Ambassador but apparently not, what do I know? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
This is the point I keep making. Nevermind whatever else is happening in a war - but there's no need to bring children into it. Whichever side does so - that's the wrong side.
Lmfao this attack is aimed at nailing terrorists. Well lookie there. Lemmy you never let me down
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Is it OK for a nation state to plant bombs in suspected opponents and then explode them at random without respect for collateral damage? If Russians did the same to Americans, you'd be all "fair play, mate"?
If Russians did the same to Americans, you’d be all “fair play, mate”?
At wartime, sure. Using explosives on enemy combatants outside of military-exclusive areas is not inherently a war crime.
Israel is in the wrong here because it's part and parcel of their continuing strategy of escalation in service to Netanyahu's forever war so he can stay in power, and the collateral damage is thus pointless from any perspective except that of keeping an authoritarian in power.
They're not in the wrong because they chose explosives as their choice of attack against Hezbollah. Unless it comes out that their distribution of rigged pagers was utterly untargeted or something of the sort. Which I would not discount the possibility of, considering Israel's history, but doesn't seem to be the case according to what's come out so far.
If there were an anti-Russian militia that set up shop in America and occasionally attacked Russia and Russia figured out a way to target many members of this militia and a few innocent bystanders were also injured or killed, the rest of the world would say "yeah... that is what you get" and Americans would say "Why are we allowing these armed assholes to set up shop in America and attack Russia?"
Reported as a biased source and MBFC backs that up... when talking about Turkish issues, they are very pro government.
As this doesn't readily involve the Turkish government, I'll allow it.
If anyone else did this, it would be universally recognized as a heinous act of state-sponsered terrorism.
Right? Imagine if Iran did this to Israel.
There would be no more Iran if they did it to Israel.