Trump refuses to say if he wants Ukraine to win the war
Trump refuses to say if he wants Ukraine to win the war
During the first presidential debate, the former president said he wanted the "war to stop" when asked if he wanted Ukraine to win against Russia.
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Putler is betting on trump to win. If Harris wins, it's over for him.
Well, officially, Putin supports Harris, but who knows with that deranged man.
He endorsed her specifically so that Trump would say that in the debate. And he did.
And how do you, pray tell, know that?
Because I don't live under a rock.
But you do since you just guess. I quote known sources, and you pull shit out your ass.
Please explain why Putin would endorse the person who says that Ukraine should win the war over the person who won't say that.
I don't need to explain anything. Again, I'm just citing facts, and you're guessing. But honestly, how much do you think your armchair analytics are really worth? Or anyone's for that matter?
I just cited facts too.
Harris wants Russia out of Ukraine.
Trump refuses to say what he wants Russia to do.
Why would Putin sincerely endorse Harris? I think you know the answer is that he wouldn't.
Because you, quote 'don't live under a rock', was that the citation you consider a fact?
I don't need to explain anything.
Don't be coy; you simply cannot.
You exist in bad faith, this goes so far beyond debate at this point lmao
I just cited a quote. What do you want from me exactly(?) holy fuck...
There's a big difference between citing facts and citing a statement. You likely have no evidence that the statement is a fact, besides taking the ex-kgb leader of an adversarial nations word at face value, which...does sound a little silly when you say it out loud like that, doesn't it? Keep in mind this nation has definitely messed with our elections in the past too lol.
The statement is the fact, and I put no more value to it than that. Make of that what you will, I really don't care
You are citing a statement, and it is a fact that the statement was said, but the content of that statement is not a fact because there's very little evidence to support it being a fact. Lies exist, especially from the election meddling, ex KGB foreign adversary national leader types.
You didn't quote anything
Nobody "knows" it, but it's totally within character for both of them.
Trump is so predictable he reliably fell for Harris' obvious bait about his rally attendees etc.
It's not farfetched to assume Putin, who is actually quite skilled in the art of manipulating people, would attempt to use Trump as a pawn in this manner.
Yeah well see therein lies the problem. There is a difference between knowing and not knowing, something that seems to matter next to nothing to people anymore
Let's say a guy says he likes puppies, but then pays a pile of cash so some people will run a puppy-kicking machine. Would you say he likes puppies or not?
Here's a guy who believes things that come out of Putin's mouth, over his own eyes and his own government.
Remind me, which side just got busted for being literally paid by Russia to post pro-russian propaganda about the election and Ukraine? Wasn't that conservatives? If Putin wants Kamala, why is Russia paying American conservative influencers millions of dollars to sway voters away from her?
Lmao I don't really give a damn. I just quoted Putins' own words, make that what you will and the fact is he supports Harris apparently.
I know you quoted Putin's own words, that was my whole point lol. He said those words in response to the US GOVERNMENT saying that he is paying conservative influencers to influence the US election.
So, which source do you believe, Putin, or the US government? Go on
I dont really trust, either to be honest. What has the US government said on the matter?
The US business that was implicated has been named as Tenet Media, which employs Tim Pool and Benny Johnson, noted Trump supporters. Each of whom was being paid $100s of thousands of dollars by Tenet, who was in turn being paid directly by Russia. Tenet has since shut down and the creators are lawyering up.
Here's an article from BBC giving more details about who was involved, with quotes from the conservative influencers that took the money, and from the DOJ. I will put some quotes below but I strongly suggest you read the whole thing because it does seem like you personally have fallen victim to this Russian propaganda.
“While the views expressed in the videos are not uniform, the subject matter and content of the videos are often consistent with the Government of Russia’s interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition to core Government of Russia interests, such as its ongoing war in Ukraine,”
The platform's two founders "admitted to each other in their private communications that their 'investors' were, in truth and in fact, the 'Russians'", the indictment says
Editing to add the actual indictment for you, since we care a lot about sources in this thread! https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1366266/dl
No, I mean that the US government claims Putin support of Harris is false or a charade.
If you're just going to quote people and accept it as fact, I have the metal scrapping rights for the Eiffel tower for sale and I'm willing to do so for cheap.
Better than armchair conjecture, tbh.
Armchair conjecture is exactly what you're doing
No, ffs, I was just citing official sources, that's the goddamn opposite
Well, officially, Putin supports Harris, but who knows with that deranged man.
So first of all, that is "armchair conjecture".
Second of all, you've already admitted just because Putin says it doesn't mean it's true.
Third of all, what is your reaction to Putin's support? Sounds like "be careful of Harris, Putin supports her." Do you think Putin is an idiot? He knows that's how people will react.
Not supporting someone just because Putin said to is just as stupid as supporting someone just because Putin said to. Either way you're letting Putin make your decisions instead of thinking for yourself.
That's the thing you can't trust putins own words lmao
First, are you capable of reasoning about anything beyond face value? If so, let's proceed.
Second, it's pretty well established that Putin has had a history of preferring Trump.
Third, seeing as Putin has a background in the KGB, I'd hazard to guess he might be comfortable with lying.
Lastly, we see that Trump is saying things that would benefit Putin.
Put that all together and what's a reasonable conclusion, in lieu of opposing evidence?
That's because officially Putin knows who he supports has negative connotations for the electorate.
Whoever Putin visibly puts his weight behind is the opposite of who he wants to win.
It's also so the MAGA rubes (who mostly secretly root for Putin) can say "See Trump don't balong ta no won cause Pootin was for the Kamunist!"
He of course supports Trump, he just likes to mess around Western politics