"REM sleep is the next AI"
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19628702
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the guy behind this startup:
- (CW bloody photos) "I confirm the information published in the Daily Mail. On May 17, 2023, I performed by myself trepanation, electrode implantation, and electrical stimulation of my brain's motor cortex. I needed it to test brain stimulation during lucid dreaming"
- https://www.newsweek.com/russian-implants-chip-brain-control-dreams-hospital-1814256
Tbh, if it were possible to record dreams or reliably trigger vivid lucid dreams, that could be one of the most significant breakthroughs in the history of art, recreation, and psychology. The fact that some startup is trying to grift on the idea with IoT/gig economy bullshit doesn't change that.
if it were possible to record dreams
mmmm.... this is gonna destroy a whole lotta marriages. My wife knows I'm scum so I'll probably be ok.
I saw the tagline and thought it meant that REM sleep is the next big thing people invest in because sleep is good for your health so they're selling solutions to boost your sleep quality
Boy was I wrong
Please Choose Your 8-Hour Ad Experience to Continue Your Free-Tier Dream
F u
This is just the game "Hypnospace Outlaw"
Or the original plot of The Matrix, before the studio execs decided audiences were too stupid.
I mean, to be fair, they were.
What started as an allegory for the path of a trans person realizing they're trans and taking "the red pill" to find the reality of their world and escape "the Matrix" that forces them into a confined box in which they don't actually fit...
...turned into the dumbest bro'd out bullshit from people who think the "red pill" means you're the strongest smartest man who is has figured out society and you're a superman like Neo who can fly and shit.
Honestly, I'm on the side of executives on this one. Most people are too fucking stupid for it.
Everyone needs to be warned about the danger of Beefbrain
I just hope the devs are more competent and don't [spoilers].
I can already drive a real car in my dreams by taking Ambien
Good god, I was finally prescribed Ambien for the first time recently, and I definitely now realize why it has the reputation that it does.
I guess people with mind blindness or blurry minds will be fucked out of luck on this tech, huh?
I mean, I know it doesn't mean you're brain damaged. I just am bad at visualizing things in my own head. I'm like at a number 3 here myself.
So I wouldn't think external technology would suddenly make your brain better at internal visualization. Like, I am really great at abstractions in my head for things that don't really have visual components. On the flip side, when I've had lucid dreams, the scenery and people are always wavy and indistinct. I really just meant this technology sounds bogus because it can't make our brains better at visualizing physical things.
Please forgive me if it sounded like I meant I thought people experiencing aphantasia were brain damaged, they most certainly are not.
HypnOS 2025 looks insane
Yeah, I totally want a copy of the dream I had last night where someone stole my motor scooter and I was chasing them around a parking lot
There's a free tier, which means the dream is same but there are billboards all around the parking lot
They know that sleep isn't wasted time, right?
Your brain uses sleep and dreams to integrate memories and learning.
For your boss it is. You're not making them money.
Oh nice, I can control my smart home by dreams?
Me: *sleeps Coffee machine starts making coffee. Me: *sleeps
Can't wait!
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What? Why does that need a special notice? Why is that relevant at all?
That label is there because I'm subscribed to XBlock Screenshot Labeller and it misclassified this image. (You can find here and here more info about how labelers in ATP work...)
Ahh I didn't realise this isn't twitter, I thought musk must have some weird thing against tumblr or something :)
Jesus, that's some real desperate idiots there.
These guys are so behind the curve. I've already interacted with Dream worlds countless times using this little-known hack called "dreaming." Look it up, you won't be disappointed.
Nah, that's "lucid dreaming". Children do that often and generally unlearn it while growing up. Grownups usually forget what they dreamt and have no influence on the dream. But ld can be trained.
You're still interacting with the dream world in regular dreaming, just without relizing it's a dream.
I actually prefer that, way more immersive, though the script writers are def hit-or-miss
So will people pay to have Nicolas Cage in their dreams, or will they pay to not have him in their dreams?
This has to be a joke
Better sleep would actually improve people's lives rather than just making it worse.
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Our records also show 3 unauthorized attempts to enter REM in the last week. Please remember to pay your unauthorized REM fees or we may have to block REM functionality.
I want to upvote the warning and downvote it contents
It just occurred to me how similar AI images are to dreams, always related to the prompt, but never quite how a conscious brain would imagine it. All the weird, illegible text, the grotesque bodies, etc. really do match up fairly well with unconsciousness.
I always thought the same thing, they're very similar
They were also "sold" or described as such when google showcased their first generation years ago.
I always find text in dreams perfectly legible though it often changes if I try to read the same bit twice.
The last thing I want to dream about is tweaking a thermostat.
What if your feet are glued to the floor? And no matter which way you set it, it keeps getting hotter? Then you start floating while a shadowy figure sits on your chest as you're unable to move and scream a silent scream...
I have all ready seen total recall
Dream Scenario (2023)
That movie couldve been so much more...
Can I save a copy of a bout of night terrors I had? I want to be able to relieve that on loop until I'm dead inside.
You need the to have the premium subscription for that
Make the Inception device or I'm not interested.
I'm just going to go to dream Disneyland where there are no cues and time passes at a super slow rate.
Reminds me of Hypnospace Outlaw. https://store.steampowered.com/app/844590/Hypnospace_Outlaw/
Oneiromancy is the new cyberpunk
Seems legit
I don't doubt that this is "the pitch of the year". lmao.
Hell yeah can't wait to control my virtual car with my dreams.
I can already do that in my dreams. Though I usually crash it often into something inexplicable.
I make sure to only dream about Tesla's (they actually work in the dream world)
Doesn't this happen at the end of Dream Scenario?
scp??
Even if all of that worked, why would I want it?
You don't want it.
But the people who can put ads on your dreams want it.
Man, Futurama was shockingly prescient, wasn't it.
Does anyone else remember Microsoft's amazingly tone deaf slide deck about how integrating their systems and making thing seamless across multiple platforms including mobile phones and laptops would allow people to work during any/every spare moment in their lives, like while commuting?
Businesses want to own every moment of your life not strictly required for continued existence. If they can normalize using sleep time for extra "passive" income by using your dream power or by just renting out "spare" brain computation power, they will.
CEO: "Did you know that people can do basic work during REM? And they won't even feel like they have worked after waking up. We can boost employee productivity by 40%!!"
Hustle mindset. 25/8 work ethic, baby. It is actually incredibly cool and fun to be a cog in the corporate machine. Liberty! Whiskey! Sexy! They're giving out the good soma when you work in the Dream Mines, baby! Get with the program!
Yes
You really don't have any interest in controlling virtual cars with your dreams? That alone has me signing up as an investor.
I sort of already do. It's called dreaming about driving a car.
I think these folks forgot that random dreams play an important role in information processing. I'd rather not mess with that too much.
i hope you're joking but if you're not i assume you live in the bay area? if you want to go to their pitch tonight, here's its eventbrite.
Yeah, that'll go great when the car is suddenly driving 14 miles down the driveway of the house I lived at as a child - a driveway that is walkable in less than a minute - before entering the garage which is a large house that slightly resembles a place I used to work and has a view over a clock tower that may or may not be larger when you look at it from a different angle and I think I'll nap in this bed that's here.
Now tell me: Where is the car relative to its position when that five-second-long dream sequence began, and will that pedestrian ever walk again?
Interactive dream worlds is essentially full dive vr. I guess you could just not use it, and while you're dreaming about losing your teeth, I'll be living through whatever movie I picked before going to bed.
Expecting any part of the brain to work that simply is foolish. We already know that REM sleep does a lot of the lifting for forming long term memories and processing complex input from your waking hours. Not to mention the importance of it for actual rest/recharging so you aren't an exhausted zombie all the time.
Sounds like a wonderful idea to just fuck around with that.