NY Times just casually dropped that the official U.S. intelligence assessment has always been that Putin didn't want to expand the Ukraine conflict beyond Ukraine
Still not as embarrassing as
admitting the Minsk agreements were all just to buy time for Ukraine.The original narratives about Ukraine no longer matter, the only thing left in the collective consciousness is Ukraine is a democracy therefore the war is about "western values". The good thing is since then even a good part liberals don't care about that anymore, its impossible to manufacture a narrative that Ukraine is winning right now, at best they "resisting" evil Putler and Zelensky does nothing but beg for more aid.
The Western media's admission of the deceitful nature of their narrative exposed liberals, who mindlessly parrot the same talking points despite the revelations, as nothing more than gullible buffoons.
I don't think liberals could have had a worse week. The cracks in their dome are apparent and aren't going away. Some people are checking out, some people are saying "enough" to the constant stream of bullshit right to their faces. /R/politics is a hoot right now.
But do they change anything about their approach? Of course not.
No, it was always this way. We always knew this. The way the government is admitting things are is the same as what they've been saying all along. Your left-wing views always make you say paranoid stuff like this. This is not an unexpected departure from the official line. The only people who were trying to scare us about how Europe could be invaded next were misinformed marginal figures, not the actual authority figures who always had a reassuring firm grip and level gaze toward reality. If it were really a big change then someone would make a big deal about it, and I don't see anybody making a fuss.
lol who told you that
"He has much larger ambitions than Ukraine. He wants to, in fact, reestablish the former Soviet Union. That's what this is about." -President Joe Biden, February 24, 2022.
:19::84:
Reminds me of the Bush defenders who pretended his administration never said Saddam had a hand in Sept. 11.
We have always been at war with Eurasia
I wish I could be amused my lemmy liberals taking this seriously
The shit about world conqueror Putin reached my, decidedly non American lib parents. This shit is bananas
truly
If you use an ounce of critical thinking it was always clear NATO wants a war with Russia, not the other way around.
To be fair, if you use an ounce of critical thinking then you stop being a liberal.
Yeah, no shit. These pathetic
vassals don’t care though, they’ll keep throwing money down the pit of “increased defense spending because NATO wants it”.I can't wait for the NAFO crowd to call the pentagon russian shills
lmao any day now
More like the Niu York Times
if i were a lemm.ee (لا سمح الله) and I saw this thread and the idiots that post here I would delete my account out of shame
Look. We HAVE to shoot up a grocery store in order to stop the Soviets. It’s for the greater good.
Nothing will change
Wait, but that would mean all the libs saying that Putin would invade everyone if he wins in Ukraine were brainwashed liars???
this is jack's complete lack of surprise
Breaking news! Circles are in fact circular!
I'm not trying to get flamed as a lib here, but there's a gulf of difference between "not wanting to expand the war" and "having no further ambition once the war is over"
There is no indication that Russia has any military ambitions past Ukraine, and it's pretty clear that Russia tried very hard to prevent the situation in Ukraine from devolving into a war.
I'm not arguing either of these points, I'm just pointing out that all NYT is saying here is that US officials have always believed that Russia wants this war to stay contained to Ukraine. Not that they think Russia didn't want this war or that Russia doesn't have other interests it will pursue external to this war.
All I'm saying is NYT didn't really reveal anything here.
I mean... That's true in that Russia tried to win before Ukraine could mount a significant resistance. Attacking in the first place was pretty clearly an act of war, though, so it feels a bit disingenuous to claim Russia wanted to avoid a war when they... Started... A war...
All it really says is that Russia thought they were strong enough to steamroll Ukraine. Actually wanting to avoid a war would look a lot more like never attacking in the first place or retreating when faced with actual resistance.
Reads like projection, especially considering how the NATO freaks have been publicly salivating over those dumbassed balkanized Russia maps and publicly posting their plans via military think tanks
No shit
unfortunately i don't believe that nato would ever stop pushing wars.
until it falls apart that is
likely, but millions of lives could be saved before that happens.
Nazi Arming Terrorist Organization
Even the US' intelligence apparatus is a bunch of Putin shills now
But seriously, no shit lmao. Did libs really think Putin was gonna try and pull an Ögedei Khan and try to take Europe?
They literally think the Russian brainpan is incapable of comprehending democracy due to them assimilating Mongolo-Asiatic authoritarianism genes in the time they were under Mongol rule so probably, yeah.
I heard literal this take ex cathedra in university in Poland. 30 years ago.
Missed all the fun being out for the evening. I just want to inform you that I am not even exaggerating for comedic purposes that much, here is a random video found by typing "mongol influence on russian culture" on google and clicking the video tab. It features bangers such as "It has been several hundred years in their genetic inheritance that authoritarianism is the only solution".
https://youtu.be/5F45i0v_u6s?t=234
I particularly love the fact that libs simultaneously believe that Russia is on a brink of collapse and about to roll over Europe as soon as it's done with Ukraine. They see no contradiction there.
The enemy is both very strong and very weak at the same time.
Yes. You should see the bullshit the European media keeps shoveling.
I barely even read any Polish media since 2022, they went into high gear of being unbearable and keeps at it ever since.
They did unironically think that, yes.
they definitely do here in europe
in February of 2022 Biden said that he was trying to reestablish the Soviet Union.
He has also said that he is proud to have been the first black woman to serve with a black president.
In general, I would not associate Biden with the word 'intelligence'.
And yeah, no, if Putin was trying to reestablish the USSR, he would be much better than he is. An anti-colonial power that massively improves its people's lives? Sign me up.
He also managed to mumble this out during the debate a week ago, too. However, we can't be sure Biden even knows what year it is, so it's unclear if he still believes this hilarious lie or if he thinks it's 2022.
Its one of the excuses they use to keep sending weaponry
Ögedei didn't even tried to take Europe, it was a really big scout party which casually obliterated every army they encountered, arrived at Hungary, seen the pushta and considered staying because it reminded them of home and then went back because khan died and new one had to be elected. In the meantime collective Europe was thrown into a state of abject terror not known since Attila the Hun. But of course as soon as it passed, islamophobia kicked in, they started to blabber about Prester John and tried to use Mongols against muslims.
baltic mindset, i'm waiting if that lady will outbang the gardener