Volkswagen has been collecting geolocation data from their smart cars, which were accidentally made public
Volkswagen has been collecting geolocation data from their smart cars, which were accidentally made public
Attached: 1 image As it turns out, Volkswagen has been collecting extensive geo data from all their electric cars and made them available online in an AWS bucket. Almost 10TB of geo traces from 15 MiO cars. Amazing detail and patterns. This is why I don't want a smart car 🤯 https://events.ccc.de/c...
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What models have they tracked?
all their electric cars
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All new cars
It doesn't say 'new'. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description 'electric cars'. Not new, not all... electric.
Electric cars are more associated with smart junk but most of it is in newer ICE cars as well. What engine the car has is of little relevance to the computer system.
Does my 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV count as an EV in this case?
PHEV
Electric is in the name...
Oh, fuck off with your sarcastic answers, sometimes a PHEV does count as an EV, other times it absolutely does not count.
So where does it state that PHEVs are counted in this case?
Hey it looks like some other guy didn't help you much. I'm not going to help much either but I'd imagine that if your model has any kind of smart infotainment type of thing then it's probably being tracked. I mean, from a business perspective, why wouldn't you? It'd be lovely to have systems that allow you to navigate, take photos, listen to music, contact friends...without spying on you. Sadly, I don't think companies see such things as being in their interests.
If you do find a list anywhere, I'd be interested to know. I don't have a VW - just a petrol ford focus, but I imagine that my data is being collected in much the same way as this.
I suspect as much.
Still, it would be nice to get a clear yes/no answer.
I am already certain that my car is one of those privacy nightmares as reported on by Mozilla, and it would be good to know how screwed I actually am.
As for why a car maker wouldn't track the car and spy on the occupants, GDPR is a huge reason, I just hope that it gets used
Well yes - I don't think it's a stretch to say that legislation is our best hope here. Not in my country, mind you, where I guarantee you that all we will get is lip-service to privacy, data protection, etc.
... it. is. in. the. name.
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The. Name. Does. Not. Mean. Anything. Unless. Specified. Directly.
For fuck sake.
Except. the. name. specifies. electric. vehicle. ffs
Name noun 1a: a word or phrase that constitutes the distinctive designation of a person or thing
That. Is. My. Point.
The. Seat. Leon. Mk4. Exists. In. Both. A. Normal. Petrol. Version. And. A. PHEV. Version.
The rest of the car is the same, so is it included?
You could just not have replied at all.
The rest of the car is the same
See, this right here. You have no clue of the subject but you get pissed off instead of listening. They are absolutely not the same, which is why they get different names. Your EV is... an EV. The other model... isn't
It. Has. A combustion. Engine. Inside.
Because it is an electric vehicle with a generator. Hence why it wasn't named a PHCE
Hard to know as the whole presentation hasn't been released yet, for now only people who were in the conference room would know.
Let's be real, any VW cars with a head unit with maps capabilities and a SIM card are certainly tracked down. Why would it be limited to electric drivetrain cars only? There's no GPS in the motors... It's in the head unit
This echoes my thought. A friend of mine had a petrol driven Golf from like 2019 or so with an app he could use to access it. I think it had a GPS built in, so I don’t see why VW wouldn’t have been able to record that.
Car manufacturers don’t face nearly enough scrutiny or regulation as they ought.
Very powerful lobby in a lot of countries.
In the now-released video, he mentions that it's all the cars that use the MED-platform, which happens to be electric cars.
Specifically, he mentions these models:
- VW ID.3, ID.4, ID.5, ID.7
- Skoda Enyaq
- Audi Q4 e-tron
- Seat Cupra Born
I don't know, if this is a comprehensive list.
It's mentioned around 3:30 in the video.
Ah, thank you!
So the Leon is not included, thank you for clearing that up (:
They do actually mention the Leon on one slide at 13:48 and then another at 16:35. The first is related to enrollment data, which is basically whether you're using their app + some metadata. The second one relates to their fleet management solution, which does allow them to collect position data, apparently. But I think, the Leon is not part of this leak, at least. At 22:26, they show the list of models that are part of the leak and the Leon is not mentioned.
Pretty much all objects with Internet connections that aren't running FOSS top-to-bottom.