fine_sandy_bottom @ fine_sandy_bottom @discuss.tchncs.de

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That's not the type of popularity I'm talking about.

Luigi is young, approachable, affable, and not unattractive. I don't believe for a moment that someone without those qualities would enjoy any sympathy from a jury.

Well, to your first point, jurors cannot be held accountable for their verdict. Obviously if they could the whole system breaks down. Jurors can exploit this protection to return a false verdict with impunity, but it is exactly that - false testament. Others will try to say that jury nullification is an intended feature of the legal system but IMO it's just exploiting a limitation.

Secondly, you're not talking about an unfair law, you're talking about an unjust outcome. All laws will produce unjust outcomes in some specific circumstances. However a law against murder reduces more harm than it causes, so it's worth upholding.

To me, the idea of having juries decide to set aside the law in cases they feel are unjust is an absurdity. Imagine if Trump were on trial and the jury unanimously returned not-guilty despite obvious guilt.

It's really not a "fairness" because every case will be heard by different jurors with no legal experience.

The "fairness" you're talking about will depend on the popularity of the accused.

Do you honestly believe Luigi would enjoy the support he has of he were an aging overweight bald guy?

At its core, jury nullification is about deciding cases based on the vibe.

Because judges have experience in law, and they have to stand by their decisions.

The jury nullification thing pisses me off.

I get that people don't want Luigi to go to jail but wishing for juries to just make up the law based on the vibe of the case is just bonkers.

The court system is a joke already.

My explanation is better:

There's three doors, of which one is the winner.

First, pick a door to exclude. You have a 66% chance of correctly excluding a non-winning door.

Next, Monty excludes a non- winning door with certainty.

Finally, open the remaining door and take the prize!

This is a common argument in our house.

1. I think so.
2. That's unclear but my take is that this is an expression of the distress felt by the employees, and perhaps the only possible outlet for their feelings. I suspect that it's more likely the action of one or two people rather that some kind of collectively approved signal.
3. I just don't know. I'm not even American but I feel very discombobulated.

I think I've had enough internet for a few months.

I just feel so despairing and helpless. I'm not even American.

You spent a year criticising your own side and supporting a "both sides" narrative. You can't now pretend that you were trying to help the dems get elected.

There are literally commenters all over this thread (about Trumps intention to invade gaza), who believe Trump will produce a better outcome for Palestinians.

Don’t try to spin logic.

Some very strong pot kettle black energy here.

I think that's what he's going to do?

Hmm, I'm not naive enough to believe that Lemmy is free from disinformation and bad actors, but I would be surprised if it was targeted by sophisticated state actors.

Hah! Me too, exactly this.

searx.perennialte.ch has been great.

It's just bonkers, but in a scary clown kinda way.

I'm kinda amazed at the prescience of the handmaids tale and other dystopian novels.

The system is fucked but we exist within that system.

I suspect that what we saw here on lemmy were actual people who had been indoctrinated elsewhere.

Lemmy isn't really big enough to be a target for bots and so on.

Sorry you're barking up the wrong tree there mate. Crypto is a detriment to humanity.

I don't think shock and alarm really captures my thoughts.

I was deeply concerned by the prospect of a Trump presidency prior to November 5th. I've been despairing since then. Watching the current shit storm unfold I think I'm probably just discombobulated.