Lemmy has lots of "both sides" bullshit, to the point where people are now making fun of that argument before it even presents itself.
The Biden administration delayed the shipment of some 3,500 bombs to Israel that U.S. officials worried could be used in Rafah, an official tells ABC.
Sure, but don't make promises if you're not gonna keep them. I'm all for nonproliferation, and I see the failure to help defend Ukraine to be a big problem in when convincing other countries they don't need nukes.
This is what happens when you promise you'd protect a country if they gave up their nukes, and then you don't protect that country when they get invaded.
What is it about role-playing that's strictly masculine? Like, why does the group have to be gendered?
Put some soles on these and make thieves wear them instead of throwing them in jail.
I dunno what's so confusing. Clearly Jews invented black people in order to mess up society so they could, uhh... so they could... get a strike?
I would rather it not exist in DC either, actually.
Check out Ecosia. It's the same thing, but your searches plant trees in a responsible manner.
I think that's the funniest part. Like, as far as I know, the regular Assistant uses the same approach to handling data that buzzword AI things use, a neural network. But branding (and potentially internal company politics) is weird, so they decided to kneecap Assistant in order to make Gemini look better on release.
Hard agree! Those are rookie numbers. We gotta pump those numbers up! It's my understanding that 5 member districts is the smallest you can go and still be functionally impossible to gerrymander.
You're putting words in my mouth both by extending things I said into areas I didn't go, and straight-up misremembering a claim I did make to the point where your quote isn't even a factual statement independent of the fact that I didn't say it. Furthermore, it is clear you don't fully understand how RCV actually works, which is messing with quite a bit of your logic and messing with your interpretations of statements I've made.
Cheers mate, I wish you didn't see me as an adversary.
Yeah I mean, voting data is messy. You're trying very hard to interpret the data in only the way you want to. You're the one who claims 50% picking 1 out of 4 doesn't conform to expectations. I think that's perfectly acceptable. If you look at the Democratic Primary Polling Data again, you'll find that, in practice, RCV, Approval, and Score generally agree on the overall results. You seem to think that voters choosing only some candidates is somehow a failure of the system. How many do you want them to pick before it's an acceptable number?
I made sure not to make claims about the sources unless they were true. It would be ridiculous to do otherwise. You're taking claims I made elsewhere and applying them to things I didn't point to. I have read and understood the entirety of every link I shared. I'm not going to be posting things I can't explain. Different sources have different purposes, to dive into to details if each (which do not always agree with each other) would be further complicating an already nitpicky argument. You asked for more variation in sources, I provided more variation in sources. What would have been an acceptable but not excessive number?
You claimed you easily created nonsensical models, but have failed to produce your examples. You're the one who has to provide proof of your claims, because just like you said, I can't prove a negative. I already provided a graphical example of RCV misbehaving. Can you provide an example of the others?
You keep claiming we have plenty of data on RCV but then don't reference any of it. Typically election officials don't release the ballots, so it's impossible to actually say what kind of election happened under RCV. The spoiler rate estimates for RCV elections are all over the place.
You've got the definition of a spoiler wrong. Spoiler candidates are a losing candidate that changes the winner of the race without a change in voter preferences. If you let voter opinions change, anything you try to say about the voting system is virtually meaningless.
Anyway dude, you're clearly not interested in having a productive conversation. The only reason I'm replying is to make sure at least some of your assumptions and wrong claims are publicly countered, but at this point I really am going to say goodbye. I get the feeling that you'd somehow argue I didn't address half your points but also gave a wall of text.
Say what you want, I'm done. I again wish you and the RCV crowd well (it's not a terrible system) and hope we have some epic national stage showdown in the future.
If 50% of voters picking 1 person out of 4 is "most," then "most" people also voted for 2 or 3 out of 4. I shouldn't have to point out that you can't really have two exclusive groups both claiming "most."
I'm using CES so heavily because they're the ones with good data and write-ups, but I can dump more data from other sources if you're interested.
A different interactive simulation where RCV usually agrees with the minority. Notice that it also fails to even be resolvable with certain opinions and so doesn't get calculated at all.
RCV can hide second choices when first choices win or make it to the finals. Arguing that's the correct result under RCV is circular reasoning, and the results fail to show the true support of the other candidates, which is important for future elections, where people judge who to vote for based on past results.
2023 Chicago Mayor election, multiple voting method polling data. Yes, the sampling method produced bias in the responses. The takeaway is not found in absolute, but comparative results.
Higher dimensional election modeling.
The spoiler rate under RCV is not insignificant, and at the very least, difficult to understand. Your voting method should not be difficult to understand. Do you want even more claims of a stolen election? That's how you get even more claims of a stolen election.
The incentive to vote for one person also incentivizes you to cast a safety vote. You can't have it both ways. Either the system will encourage people to vote for a candidate they don't like, or it will encourage people to only vote their favorite. It can't do both.
Also, can you show me those nonsensical spacial models under approval? I tried to create one and failed. If you create one, can you show the results for all four methods with that same candidate set?
Anyway, I don't think we're going to be having a productive conversation beyond this. I sincerely hope that RCV continues succeeding, despite its flawed nature, I think we can both degree it's better than our current system. I hope both approval and RCV take over the country and are forced into an ultimate showdown.
Cheers!
That's not what they did in the 2020 primary. Only a small number of people cast safety votes for Biden when they were given them freedom to vote for as many people as the liked.
If you live in New Hampshire, I suggest you call your state legislators to support this bill. Approval Voting is a very small change that goes a long way! If you don't live in New Hampshire, send this to someone who does!
The state legislature is trying to make it harder for the people to have a say in their democracy. Vote "No!" Retain the right to amend the constitution, or else the bar will be set so high only the legislature will get to propose amendments!
That's it. That's the post. Drag your friends to the polls, too, while you're at it.
First off, yes, I'm getting rid of my account, but I decided to have a look around on the official app and
- It's hot garbage
- I'm subscribed to a bunch of subs I've never even interacted with before in my life. What gives? Did they just sign me up for shit without asking? They sent me emails after promising they wouldn't, they've lied about a lot of stuff, but every time I'm surprised they're such dicks for some reason.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Missouri Agrees advocates for a more effective, ethical government: of the people, by the people, and for the people. We believe in a government that is open and accountable, and not beholden to special interests and partisan games.
Hey everyone,
Missouri Agrees is running a fundraising campaign so they can put Freedom Voting Up for referendum.
You can donate through any of the campaigns here and your impact will be TRIPLED. +1 from the individual campaign and +1 from an anonymous donor. They're aiming for 1.2 million by July 1st, so every dollar counts. It's an all or nothing fundraiser, so if we fall short everyone gets their money back.
Don't know what Freedom Voting is? It's also called Approval Voting and you can read more about it here. The short answer is it gives you the freedom to vote for everyone you like instead of having to just choose one. That's it. Instead of "pick one" it's "pick any number." It fixes a huge number of problems while also being ridiculously simple.
If anyone has any questions of course I'm open to chatting.
Hello all,
The way I see it, the kind of person willing to be an early-adopter is the kind of person with gumption. They're willing to deal with uncertainty, they're willing to stake out a claim based on principles, they're willing to put in a little extra work where it's needed.
Alight, maybe, maybe not.
But if that sounds like you, I want to recruit you to lead a referendum to switch Ohio or a local government in Ohio to Approval Voting.
If you haven't heard of Approval Voting before, here it is:
- Vote for everyone you like.
- Most votes wins.
That's it.
But OH BOY does it fix a lot of problems. Under Approval, it's always safe to vote for your favorite candidate. With Approval, you can't submit an invalid ballot. And best of all, Approval voting doesn't have spoilers.
Approval Voting helps show how much support every candidate in the race actually has, since there was nothing stopping anyone from voting for them. Everyone's final total represents their approval rating!
If this sounds like a good deal to you, let me know and we can talk about what it would take to switch your elections to approval. If you have any questions, fire away! I'm even perfectly happy to tell you what kinds of problems and limitations approval has, because all voting systems have problems and limitations!
P.S. I couldn't find any community specific rules and I'm not sure if this counts as advertising or spam per the site rules but if it does let me know and I'll delete the post.
P.P.S. I do actually live in Ohio, I'm not gonna go around recruiting people for projects in a state where I don't live.
