Netanyahu Blasts Biden Admin For ‘Withholding’ Weapons From Israel In Harshest Criticism Yet: ‘Inconceivable’
Netanyahu Blasts Biden Admin For ‘Withholding’ Weapons From Israel In Harshest Criticism Yet: ‘Inconceivable’
So why can't Israel support itself after decades of the US pumping weapons and money?
I'm 100% done with Israel, and that's coming from a middle-aged guy who was always a supporter. At this point, I honestly don't care if the Arab world stomps them flat. Who could I possibly give a shit any longer?!
So thanks for bringing the plight of the Palestinians into my worldview and trashing the country's reputation. I get it now. Clearly.
Israel can support itself. This is a huge con.
The defense industry of Israel is a strategically important sector and a large employer, as well as a major supplier of the Israel Defense Forces. The country is one of the world's major exporters of military equipment, accounting for 10% of the world total in 2007. Three Israeli companies were listed on the 2022 Stockholm International Peace Research Institute index of the world's top 100 arms-producing and military service companies: Elbit Systems, Israel Aerospace Industries and RAFAEL.[1] It is also a major player in the global arms market with a 2.3% share of the global exports of major arms as of 2023.[2] Total arms transfer agreements topped $12.9 billion between 2004 and 2011.[3] There are over 150 active defense companies based in the country with combined revenues of more than $3.5 billion annually.[4] Israeli defense equipment exports reached $7 billion in 2012, making it a 20 percent increase from the amount of defense-related exports in 2011. With the war in Ukraine, arms exports reached $12.5 billion in 2022.[5] Much of the exports are sold to the United States and Europe. Other major regions that purchase Israeli defense equipment include Southeast Asia and Latin America.[6][7][8] India is also major country for Israeli arms exports and has remained Israel's largest arms market in the world.[9][10]
This is correct and I wish was more widely known.
Right? Benny nets has completely ruined any good faith left in the world for the jews after the holocaust. (by that I mean Israel, not Jewish people abroad)
Israel has plenty of supporters. I'm sorry for the Israelis who view this with dismay and will suffer for it.
At this point, I honestly don’t care if the Arab world stomps them flat.
You would likely end up caring a whole helluva lot when Israel hammers their red funni button and turns the capital cities of the attacking nations into glass.
People can claim that they wouldn't do it but THE use case for nukes is existential threat...and that's exactly what you're describing. Its in those exact situations that Atomic Fire comes out to play.
I honestly don't care if the Arab world stomps them flat.
Standard disclaimer, this isn't an attempt to excuse Biden's support for Israel which is and has been unconscionable. But that being said:
I think the possibility of Israel being stomped flat is part of the calculus that underlies American support for them. They're surrounded by powerful enemies like Iran, and a whole unanimous coalition of nations full of military and political leaders who go to sleep at night dreaming of the lifelong stamp of heroism that would stem from being part of the holy alliance that finally wiped them out.
Whatever crimes against humanity their "defense" forces commit and are committing, the TV scenes of Arab soldiers gunning down fleeing Israeli civilians, ripping down the flags in Tel Aviv amid burning corpses, taking city after city, fighting a 20-on-1 dogpile of a war that would end with Israel erased from the map forever, guilty and the innocent alike, would get played on American TV in campaign commercials for 50 years. If it happened under Biden, the Democrats wouldn't win another election for at least a generation. Probably more.
And it could happen. The world is not a nice place. Part of running the State Department is dealing in horrifying outcomes like that, and it happens every year in a few places across the globe, to people we haven't taken pains to make friends and allies of (and sometimes even to people like the Kurds that we have).
We used to love like brothers and sisters various leaders all over the world who did genocidal things like Netanyahu, and I'm sure we still do, but it's not an everyday thing now like it was in the 80s and 90s. But there's some kind of crazy disconnect that fuels American support for Israel. There's a popular theory on Lemmy that it's simply because Biden is evil and loves genocide, and certainly AIPAC is a part and simple racism and lack of care for dying civilians in the Mideast is a part, but to me I think one of the powerful drivers is the fear of what might happen if the rest of the Middle East ever got the idea that they could try to fuck up Israel and the US might not be there to make sure it didn't happen.
Let the accusations commence. Like I say, I'm trying to explain, not to excuse, and besides nothing in any of that above would have stopped them having the CIA snatch Netanyahu three months ago and deliver him to the Hague in a rubber sack with a note that says "We still love Israel but this guy can get fucked."
having the CIA snatch Netanyahu three months ago and deliver him to the Hague in a rubber sack with a note that says “We still love Israel but this guy can get fucked.”
Oh, I wouldn't do that. Just drop him in the middle of Rafah and let him walk home.
The scenario you describe is so far from reality that it's hard to take as something other than a creative writing exercise. Israel is not existentially threatened at all. The IDF is far better equipped than all the other countries in the region and Israel was just in the process of normalizing relations with some of its neighbors, including Saudi Arabia. All the military support from the USA isn't saving anyone, it's just funneled there to keep the military industrial complex happy and kill Palestinian children as a byproduct.
But there’s some kind of crazy disconnect that fuels American support for Israel.
Lemmy is stupid, so you shouldn't pay attention to popular lemmy theories. But you've got it wrong too.
Christians need Israel to exist in order for their prophecy to be fulfilled. That's the reason for the vast majority of the support Israel gets in the US. They don't care about Israel as a state, or Jews, or anything else. It's just a practical matter. One of the preconditions for the End Times is Israel existing.
Surrounded by powerful armies like Iran
Take a good look at a map, buddy.
the TV scenes of Arab soldiers gunning down fleeing Israeli civilians, ripping down the flags in Tel Aviv amid burning corpses, taking city after city, fighting a 20-on-1 dogpile of a war that would end with Israel erased from the map forever, guilty and the innocent alike, would get played on American TV in campaign commercials for 50 years. If it happened under Biden, the Democrats wouldn’t win another election for at least a generation. Probably more.
But if footage of what's actually happening to Palestinians right now is shown then nothing happens? Their lives aren't worth anything in the eyes of Americans?
Not another weapon. Cut off funding.
Yeah, and more importantly, Biden needs to learn the public component of diplomacy.
I read his interview in Time, and it's weird, because it at least gave me some aspect into what he's thinking.
He's old as fuck. He has learned decades of procedures and standard practice in diplomacy, and he does NOT understand that a lot of it happens in the open now. Biden thinks he's playing chess with all the diplomatic messages he sends along backchannels, and he has no idea that this is just an arm wrestling match now. People judge you by what you say and do transparently.
Biden legit thinks he and Bibi are like cousins who grew up together who are having a tough fight, and Bibi is all fucking politics. He'd slit any throat he has to get what he wants, and he will bury Biden in a heartbeat.
Biden should go to Israel, and in a public address announce that the country is turning a corner: it will be safer than ever, and America is going to assist with a long term peace process, which they won't lead but will provide security guarantees for. And don't tell Bibi any of this in advance. And when Bibi reacts, say that Bibi has lost his trust and that of the elected public, and they need to hold new elections before getting any new weapons. Get some 'nads, man!
I wouldn't mind a complete cut-off in weapons, but I also wouldn't mind if they continue to supply rocket defenses or something if its part of a pressure campaign to send Netanyahu packing. I want Israeli prosecutors and the Hague to argue over who gets to lock his ass up first.
part of a pressure campaign to send Netanyahu packing
4% of Jewish Israelis feel the IDF has gone too far
This isn't just Netanyahu or his administration, this is most non-arab Israelis. Every time you translate an Israeli twitter post or media, it's like you found a lost page from Mein Kampf
Damn, it's a shame that you - who are clearly so much smarter and more knowledgeable than everyone involved - aren't running things. Surely no armchair general would ever second guess your approach to handling complex international diplomacy.
I'm glad at least someone has it all figured out, if only Biden would reach out to you personally.
I think we have an obligation to provide Iron Dome defensive munitions as long as there is threat of attack on Israel. Despite common opinion, there are plenty of innocent Israelis that are not behind Netanyahu or Zionism that deserve to live without being bombed, just like Palestinians.
Edit: Those of you that paint all Israelis with one brush are no better than Netanyahu labeling all Palestinians as Hamas. Just sayin.
there are plenty of innocent Israelis
That's complicated. Would you have said we needed to continue supporting Apartheid South Africa's military because there were innocent Boers?
When the Israeli national project is ended, then sure we'll have a responsibility to ensure Palestine respects the rights of all people living in its territory.
Would Israelis be so in favour of war if bombs were landing on them too?
Can't help noticing that you make no mention of providing similar defensive capabilities to Palestine. Kind of undercuts your argument.
Withholding? As if Isreal is entitled to our money and weapons.
I don't mind supporting countries that actually need it but even if the IDF was completely ethical, and they're not, they still wouldn't need a single bullet of aid.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
At this point he's better at campaigning for Biden than pretty much anyone I've seen who's telling me to vote for him.
I actually had to pause and consider whether this could be some kind of pro-Bidem propaganda.
Bit of both but mostly propaganda. Biden has temporarily paused the 2000 pound bombs but other weapons are still flowing.
Also Biden recently pushed through a massive F15 sale to israel.
What people don't realize is that the sliiiightest bit of not obeying israel will get one branded as Hamas.
but that the U.S. should not be withholding some weapons.
It should be withholding all weapons.
Sanction the fucker with all of his government!
would be funny if the military accidentally shipped it to ukraine
Wait, I was told Jebocide Joe was all in on killing Palestinians?
almost as if the perpetual online slacktivist left is irrational
And yet, just weeks ago an American brand shell that hit a school in Gaza and killed 40+ was found.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/06/nx-s1-4995090/israel-gaza-school-strike-us-bomb
Make your own weapons then!
I think if he tried they'd look like something out of a cartoon.
that's what he gets buying from acme
Israel does make some of their own weapons. (Have you ever heard of the Uzi or Desert Eagle?) Just not enough for their current goals. I've heard that proposed as a reason the US provides them so many weapons, to suppress the growth of their local weapons industry.
Israel is the only country whose aid doesn't have to be spent on US goods. The US created Israel's arms industry.
And yet Biden continues to send the weapons and money.
It's both malicious and incompetent. No matter how much foreign blood Biden promises spill, republicans will double it. By trying to appeal to "moderate" fascists, they're just demotivating their base, while fascists will vote for the real thing over diet fascism.
I don't understand his angle here. He clearly has some sort of agenda, but I haven't figured it out. Maybe he's betting that this will turn some Democrats and moderates against Biden? But that requires believing that Netanyahu is telling the truth, which I don't think a lot of Israel supporters necessarily do.
Either way, this is weird. Maybe he's talking about the bombs that weren't sent for Rafah? But getting pissed about one halted shipment out of everything they've been given is just fucking hilarious.
My guess -- he's aware his support is dwindling, and he's trying to salvage it by blaming everyone else. Or, he's daring the US to stop all shipments, but that would probably destroy his remaining support too.
Yes, you clearly seem confused.
Israel's modus operandi is throwing anyone that does not 100% obey their commands under the bus instantly. It keeps all their loyal dogs in check and lets them know the slightest amount of disobedience is not allowed. One can do everything israel asks for 100 years and the one time they step out of line they will fully get thrown under the bus.
The question you should be asking here is what Joe Biden's angle here is. Because Biden is still sending them 99% of the weapons. So apparently losing the election while israel is still committing Genocide.
I came here for this. Thank you!
The destroyer of Israel
like a child complaining that mum grounded them and didn't give them their allowance
Yeah fuck yamaka hitler
*yarmulke
With climate change, the whole of the mid-East is going to be uninhabitable. All these countries are fighting over land that no one will be able to live on in the next 50 years or so. Humans are way too short sighted.
And I say all these countries because Iran and Russia supports Hamas and America supports Israel.
yeah well i can conceive of it perfectly fine so maybe that's a skill issue
Is this maybe a situation where Bibi knows he's politically toxic and is (at least partially) running some cover for allies? I don't think he's that smart but it kinda works out that way, since I haven't heard of delayed shipments recently otherwise
Bibi knows Biden is worse for him than Trump would be, so I think that's unlikely
Netanyahu is an OG Trump ally. He is going to try to screw Biden any way he can.
Hey! Where's the Russian Agents, I mean MAGA Patriots, I mean Genocide Joe crowd at rn? You know the ones that constantly complain that Biden should have personally airdropped over Gaza and personally saved the children? You know, the ones that demand Biden to destroy any and all ties to an ally that may or may not have long lasting repercussions with our existing allies? You know, the ones that actually think geopolitics are easy?
I don't know who you're talking about that believes anything you've claimed, but the people who don't want Biden to send Israel the weapons they're using to carry out a genocide are still angry that Biden is sending Israel weapons, which they're using to carry out a genocide.
If your understanding of geopolitics somehow has you justifying helping Israel blowing up kids in Palestine or Saudi Arabia blowing up school buses in Yemen or american occupiers cause famine in Syria, you've completely lost the plot.
Not blowing up children is more important than American hegemony in the middle east.
I was getting lunch :c
Hope it was agreeable and delicious!
It's 22:00 in moscow, they're probably getting ready to sleep.
"Everything i don't like is Russian or Chinese."
I mean, we literally know that Russia and China is antivax conspiracies, and anti-demoracy, pro-fascism rhetoric that people absolutely just eating up. Anything they can do to help push the nation to be more right-leaning is better for them.
Yeah, that's what we're afraid of, and exactly why we don't want to give you the weapons.
Comparing himself to Churchill defending the UK from the Nazis has got to be the shittiest analogy I've heard in a long time. You aren't Churchill in this situation, Netanyahu. You're the invader hell-bent on wiping out a population.
TBH He's just as racist as Churchill
It’s a simple dog whistle. He’s reminding everyone of the holocaust w/o saying the word.