Episode 4 did Obi-Wan Kenobi completely dirty. In the first three movies and The Clone Wars, we see that he's an honourable, compassionate, brave person. He killed Darth Vader and left him for dead. By all rights, he should have continued to fight for the rebellion instead of moving to a desert and being alone for 20 years.
You expect me to believe after being a general in the Clone Wars and defeating multiple Sith, Obi Wan proceeded to do absolutely nothing while the emperor oppressed everyone? As soon as he heard Darth Vader was still alive, he should have hopped on his ship and gone to kill Anakin! The version we see in A New Hope is an old loser hiding from his own mistakes in the desert.
Obi Wan is supposed to be determined, a warrior, someone who always accomplishes what he sets out to do. Not a coward! I grew up with the original trilogy, and these new movies completely ruined my childhood. Why did George Lucas feel the need to crap all over us Obi-Wan fans who loved his original three Star Wars movies? And all in the name of sUbVeRtInG eXpEcTaTiOnS
Of all the problems with The Last Jedi, Luke becoming a "defeated" old man seemed like the least of that movies' problems. That was the one plot point I was willing to accept. Dude had a moment of weakness and got filled with self-doubt, it happens. The rest of the movie was trash, but that part was whatever, not a huge suspension of disbelief.
I have never found browbeating people into enjoying something that they don't to be a successful strategy.
Discussions about why you enjoy something are more successful and simply more positive than trying to 'gotcha' people by clawing at them for enjoying/not enjoying something.
There is nothing wrong, and nothing that makes someone a lesser or greater fan about liking or disliking certain parts of a franchise.
I do not like discussions made wholly for the purpose of fan infighting.
I know the post is a joke, but the main difference is that Luke was on the winning side at the end of ep 6, redeeming his father and avenging old Ben, while OB1 saw his entire world, the Republic and the Jedi, being destroyed at the end of ep 3. He became a target and "traitor", so hiding was the only sane choice.
Also, while OB1 readied himself to fight Anakin, it was the latter that jumped to strike first. Luke tried to kill Ben while the kid was asleep.
As others said, Luke retiring or wanting to be left alone because he fucked up big time isn't a problem per se. The way his reasoning is treated, especially for trying to kill Ben Solo, is what left a LOT to be desired. "Oh, I had recurring nightmares that he'd fall to the dark side". Well, did you confide that with anyone? It's not like Yoda, Anakin or Obi-Wan's force ghosts would rat him out. - My memory is hazy, but I don't remember him saying, or the movie showing, what he tried besides cold blooded murder to avoid such a fate.
It sounds like you only watched the first half of the movie. Kylo Ren lies to Rey and says Luke tried to kill him, but then she talks to Luke and he explains it was all a misunderstanding. He never tried to kill Ben. He just panicked and drew his weapon for a split-second because he had a PTSD war flashback. Y'know, cause he's a veteran. Ben woke up bleary-eyed in the middle of the night with a weapon over him and assumed the worst. We see Ben's memory, but it's all distorted from the actual truth. The reason everyone complains it doesn't make sense is cause, well, yeah it doesn't. It's not true. It didn't actually happen, it's just Kylo Ren telling lies. We later see Luke's memory and it's way more reasonable and actually makes sense.
obiwan and Luke tried to kill people close to them and ran from themselves. Never crossed my mind on the parallels.
In obi-wan case, I felt he was in tatooine to watch over Luke. Not sure of that is right. Haven't seen the movie In decades.
Also vador hates sand.
While Luke was just retired.
My problem with the movies is it would have been nice if they explained why Luke didn't kill smoke or w/e sooner or why Ben was so keen on his grandpa who turned good at the end.
Luke didn't kill Snoke because he didn't feel that he had the right. All that stuff he did in the OT, he did it in the name of the Jedi. From the beginning, Obi-Wan hyped him up on tales of his father the Jedi war hero, and told Luke to carry on that legacy. Once he learned that his father was a sith, he had his memories of Obi-Wan and Yoda to guide him. He was trying to honour the memory of the Jedi.
When Luke failed with Ben Solo and destroyed his Jedi academy, he internalised the failure so badly that he decided the Jedi are a bad idea entirely. Look at history, the Jedi created Darth Vader and plunged the galaxy into fascism, and then along comes Luke who thinks he's soooooo much better and goes and makes exactly the same mistakes and creates Kylo Ren and plunges the galaxy into fascism again! He blamed himself for thinking the Jedi could ever be a lasting positive force. He went to Ahch-To to die. And yeah, he's in his head too much and he's ignoring all the good he himself did as a Jedi during the OT, but Luke isn't exactly known for being a rational or clear thinker at the best of times. He wanted to go die alone so that nobody would ever become a Jedi again, and nobody would repeat the failure that he repeated. He wanted the Resistance to defeat Snoke, not the Jedi, so that the galaxy could move on and find peace without the memory of the Jedi.
Not sure why he didn't didn't feel he couldn't snoke. They didn't explain that clear to me. When it comes to forces of chaos it's more what right do you have to let them live.