nuanceposting rule

It's not on women to soften their complaints of rape and harassment to try to prevent men from becoming incels and Nazis.

For Fucks Sake

Men can deal with the very mild discomfort of being occasionally reminded women have to always be vigilant.

Dudes need to sack up and realize there's a lot of dudes out there that are creepy. It's up to you as a stand up dude to call these creepy dudes out when they act up. Women don't owe you anything, you stand up for them because it's the right thing to do, and not because you want sex.

Know what tipped me off that Lemmy really doesn't get nuance?

There was an article about a ride-share / taxi company that cateted to women and provided drivers who were also women, to make them feel safer getting a ride.

The comments were absolutely venomous, calling it out as "sexism" and how "what's to stop me from identifying as a woman and calling? They can't refuse me!" which.... fuckin' oof.

But I figured out why they're upset: because they want people to be treated equally instead of acknowledging that some people have different needs that may require extra services to level the playing field.

Equality vs. Equity.

The fact that is post got removed for trolling is exactly why my feelings towards the bear meme have evolved from annoyed to "Reminded of the multiple times women have attempted to use cops as a weapon against me"

Everyone has a right to be heard.

Everyone has a right to their pain.

Someone else's pain being acknowledged and addressed does not invalidate yours.

Comparing pain leads only to a race to the bottom when we should all be lifting each other up.

I agree. That doesn't mean women should step back to please men, rather that we all as a society need to take the problem of disenfranchised men as the serious issue and long term threat to stable society that it is. This doesn't mean that we need to fight them, just communicate to them in a better way.

The Virgin Exclusive vs. The Chad Dialectic

EDIT: Post has restored and it turned out to be a misunderstanding! Thank you to the mod team for being really chill about this. :)

You guys have no clue how sad I am that the mods did this. I reached out for an explanation, but nothing so far, and all that positive discussion and holding each other accountable is just wiped out, meanwhile all of the other posts full of straight up misogynistic hate and flaming is still up. Guess this is what I get for trying to be a good actor online.

I'm not sure youth disenfranchisement is caused by bad rhetoric considering the other causes like wealth inequality and generally poor life fulfillment

I saw your post and don't think it should have been removed, let alone banned, but I don't think you did yourself any favours in the comments. You kept asserting it as fact that there is a huge problem with silencing SA survivors, and when asked to give evidence, the only thing you had was three comments in the same thread, where the one sexist guy was being downvoted and the multiple people correcting him were upvoted. Not good evidence of a systemic problem.

(Ironically, you now do have that evidence, in the form of your ban.)

How does the man/bear discussion disenfranchise and antagonize young men?

On top of not being a creeper, you also need to bathe regularly to get a chance at a date.

Does the fact that you have to bathe regularly antagonize and disenfranchise young men?

I would argue the man/bear thought experiment gives young men a useful look inside the average womans life that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕

I find it really disrespectful as well since it was one of the most productive and well tempered OPs on this whole drama arc, at least on Lemmy.

I was "groomed" into the far-right around 2006-2010, and I have to say progressives always understood me much better than anyone on the right. Best the right could do is blame my single mother for remarrying to an abusive jerk due to financial necessity, my father for not taking me with himself to my also abusive stepmother (my actual parents also needed a lot of self-reflection to be at least tolerable), and of course the same scaremongering and Jordan Peterson-level life "advices" that are popular today. They were way more transparent about not understanding gaming and the likes, unlike today's right that pretends to care about it with its gamergates and similar culture war talking points.

Why do you capitalize very disrespectful?

I was wondering where this post went. I was so confused when it dissapeared - someone in the comments had mentioned a community called "nuance posting" or something and I was trying to find it :\

What was the original hypothetical question? "Would you rather be stuck camping with a man or a bear?" Or is it "young man"? Or "creepy man"? I'm browsing the comments on all these threads and I'm just so confused.

We should all post this there.

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I think a lot of people also miss the practical element. It sucks for men that they're a potential threat until proven otherwise, but can you blame women for taking measures that objectively improve their safety? I don't think anyone likes that women don't trust men, but, as it currently stands, the alternative is worse.