A Majority of Democratic Voters Believe Israel Is Committing Genocide
EXCLUSIVE: A Majority of Democratic Voters Believe Israel Is Committing Genocide
Mehdi’s Memo on the results of our new poll on Gaza and Iran
A majority of Republican voters also believe Israel is committing genocide, and that they should genocide harder.
Not "committing", because that would mean it's bad. "Performing" genocide, maybe.
And also they should get started on the second temple and breeding a red heifer
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Yeah, I want to see the percentages on that question. Psychos in Congress are certainly loud about it. And Donald wants to "finish the job."
Too bad democratic leadership has their head so far up AIPAC's ass they won't do shit.
And yet they'll still turn out to vote for the guys and gals doing the genocide
Well do you want 101% Hitler to do two genocides?
Who are they going to convince to canvas for this campaign? They have no grassroots base. Zionists can’t lose because Zionism is the bipartisan Washington consensus, so I doubt they’re especially motivated to canvas.
So they accept it is genocide and yet
The only political power you have within America's political system electoralism is a game of chicken wherein you withhold your vote unless change occurs. If you're mad at people saying they won't vote for Biden, I urge you to direct your energy at Biden and the DNC.
There are other avenues to change, but they get your head bashed in by cops, so I'm confident the people tut-tutting about voting will never get involved at that level. Must feel great to ignore the devastating impact of American foreign policy just because it doesn't happen near you!
The only political power you have within America’s political system
Within electoralism, anyway. It’s not the only power we have, it’s just the only one we’re taught, and the only one in corporate media’s Overton window.
ETA: Thanks to two (now three) red scares, I probably should spell it out for the peanut gallery: Labor power.
Yeah, I agree. I definitely meant "electoralism" where I said "America's political system". Thanks for the correction!
Democrats are going to elect Trump. 🙄
Can't tell if you're talking about me or about Biden, but I'm not a democrat, so I'll assume you're implying that Biden is going to elect Trump and I agree.
Well, yes.
Centrists and progressives both know Netanyahu is committing genocide.
Progressives oppose it.
Centrists don't.
Why do you choose to label people as either progressives or centrists?
Because centrists don't like the more accurate term "Vichy Democrats".
This just in: Democrats BELIEVE FACTS!!!!
SOMETHING SOMETHING THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK!
In all honesty, it’s not disbelief of facts. This issue really highlights how perspectives completely depend on the news sources consumed. Media bias has become so extreme, that factual reporting comes second to subjective inference.
Eh. "A Majority of
<Party>
Voters" is not that impressive. According to Gallup's running poll, Democratic Party affiliation is currently at 28%. A slim majority of a minority is... nice? It needs to be reflected strongly among independents and perhaps the opposite party to be reflected in the general population. For comparison, the majority of Republicans think the 2020 election was stolen. This view is not reflected among the general population.I actually think a more notable statistic in this poll is the Republicans at 23%. That tells me that reactions to what is happening in Gaza has had a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.
a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.
Unconditional Support for Israel is absolutely bipartisan. It's one of the few bipartisan issues that all 3 branches of government agree on. The other being unlimited funding for MIC projects.
He and his party are doing the calculus and figuring that they'll do better supporting Israel because, frankly, where else are those voters going to go? Trump? He'd nuke Gaza if Netanyahu co-signed a loan for him.
Democratic voters need to vote blue no matter who, and then primary out the corporatist candidates at the earliest opportunity.
This has to be a two-pronged effort: keep the Republicans out of office permanently, and clean the Democratic slate from within.
This is really the only strategy and we've seen how incredibly effective it has been as the GOP changes into rabid racists.
But better democrats can't employ exactly the same strategy as their far right insurgent counterparts, because we're not racists assholes trying to undermine democracy.
where false are those voters going to go? Trump? He'd nuke Gaza if Netanyahu consigned a loan for him.
There are a disturbing number of people who give no shits about this and instead think not voting for Biden will send a productive message.
It is sadly funny when you think about it.
Biden loses
Democrat politicians: "Oh no, we only have all of our wealth to protect us from the worst effects of the US falling into a fascist hellscape. Those voters sure showed us!"
What's even scarier is those same people seem completely oblivious to the alternative, which is Mr. "Muslim Ban, Shithole Countries, I like Jewish people counting my money, I'd just nuke the whole place" Trump.
Like, your problem is genocide and you'll basically pave the road for the candidate that explicitly said they'd do a genocide, and whose supporters would cheer him on as the missiles launched, over one that you have some influence over?
That was what we said in 2020 and here we are. We went backwards from Obama. Either he does the right thing or there have to be consequences.
Yeah, but the consequences is a second Trump administration if you don't vote for a Democratic candidate for president, and two to four more years of legislative gridlock if the Republicans aren't reduced to powerless rump.
Do you want a second Trump administration? Think really hard about that, because the last one vacillated between "Berlusconi-level incompetency" and "Mussolini-level malice".
The stakes really are to high to "try to teach Biden and the Democrats a lesson", and it's not like corporate Democrats really care, because they'd rather lose to a Republican than get primaried by a progressive and stop the gravy train forever, plus they have this weird idea that if they're "civil" they won't find themselves lynched during the American Krystallnacht.
The problem with not primaring out corporate Democrats is that American voters...didn't do it. Not that it didn't work as a strategy, because replacing corporate Republicans with fascist nutjobs is working out just fine. Maybe progressives, or at least progressive Millenials and Gen-Xers, really are too lazy to affect real change?
I'm sure allowing a manchild narcissist authoritarian insurrectionist to appoint more judges and sell more state secrets will teach Biden and the Dems a big lesson. 1/3 of SCOTUS were installed by an insurrectionist and about 1/2 of the House and Senate are backing an insurrectionist.
Wasn’t it determined that the primaries are not a democratic vote, but a suggestion the DNC will keep in mind when they ultimately dictate who will run? The real people who choose are super delegates who are insiders who vote to maintain the status quo. So claiming the primaries are the correct venue would not be correct.
“Has been”, “is escalating”
I feel like the administration thinks the ends justify the means. Israel is a tactical ally, but at the end of the day how can we not step in and prevent the siege and displacement of innocent Palestinians?
By simply not giving a fuck about innocent Palestinians. Israel is a vassal state of US empire.
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Voters have virtually no say in the matter.
That graph is pleasingly symmetrical
Isn't every voter a Democratic voter?
The biggest thing Biden could do to help him beat trump is stop funding a genocide...
Instead he's talking about protestors like trump was during BLM.
It's like Biden's living some kind of Brewster's Millions and we're all John Candy.
It's not though, unfortunately.
The biggest thing Biden could do is focus on domestic economics. On top of that, please do realize that even specifically for those under 35, it's 60/40 for even sympathizing with Palestine in the conflict. That's all separate from it being the right thing to do, which I also agree with. But the math is not looking good for this being the cornerstone issue for Democrats or even the youth electorate.
That's not really true. Youth campaign workers have been reporting Gaza as the biggest issue in getting people to commit to voting for Biden. This chart as well makes it clear that stopping offensive aid would be popular among the people available to vote for him, (still looking and not completely opposed to voting D)
He’s beginning to do exactly that. Let’s hope they charge Israel over Rafah next.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-bombs-gaza-netanyahu-israel-rafah-432aa51e3569d1a73b22273295b1a53f
While it's great there was eventually a line...
That's a pause that can end at any moment, and it only effects 1 ton smart bombs.
Something that there is just no plausible way can be used in accordance with international law is an urban setting.
And the cynic in me can't help but notice Israel just flat out doesn't need these for their genocide. If you wanted to pick something for the optics that has no negative effect on Israel, this is right up there with sanctioning random settlers
If Biden wants props, the opportunity for him to do the right thing is coming.
Which is why nows the time to be making news and demanding he do the morally right thing and acknowledge reality
Not voting for Biden is not a vote for Trump. For many young voters it’s a choice between Biden or 3rd party, because voting for Trump is out of the question. This is a matter of whether Biden cares about being vote-worthy himself, or if he will continue to prioritize his “Israel First” pro-genocidal strategy above winning the presidency. The fault of Biden’s inevitable upcoming loss is entirely his own, stop trying to blame voters for Biden’s garbage policies.
That Harvard link shows 34% percent of respondents issues considered it the most important...
But like, there's a fundamental misunderstanding here, and I'm going to try and clear it up.
So generally speaking:
What will help the most is often not what most people consider to the most important issue.
Like, if everyone had it as their number 1, 2, or 3 but it wasn't the most popular number 1?
It might still be the one thing that helps the most despite not being the most popular number 1 response.
Does that make sense?
Lots of people miss that when talking statistics. And since that first link has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, I'm assuming that's what's going on here.
It's also not accounting for which repsondants were already voting for Biden when talking about most important single issue.
You think the pro trump respondents give a shit or will vote Biden for any reason?
Why is what they consider most important relevant to what we're talking about?