‘Sovereign citizen’ shot, killed during exchange with Harris County deputies
‘Sovereign citizen’ shot, killed during exchange with Harris County deputies | Houston Public Media
A man was shot and killed while exchanging gunfire with Harris County Sheriff’s Office deputies following a traffic stop in north Houston Sunday.
He wasn't shot because he was a Sovcit idiot, he was shot because he was shooting at police. Why even mention he was a Sovcit idiot? It doesn't change the story at all.
The site might as well have: "Man with blue pants shot, killed during exchange with Harris County deputies"
FTA:
Deputies conducted a traffic stop on the vehicle with expired tags and a broken taillight on FM 1960. Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said the man refused to exit his vehicle and identified himself as a sovereign citizen.
Deputies engaged the man in conversation for over an hour in an attempt to remove him from the vehicle, Gonzalez said.
Refusing to comply with their demands, he drove away from the scene and engaged in a brief pursuit with deputies before his vehicle was brought to a stop on the corner of FM 1960 and Ella Boulevard.
After stepping out of his vehicle, the man, armed with a pistol, began shooting at deputies. They exchanged gunfire and the man was shot dead. No deputies were injured during the exchange, Gonzalez said.
Ahem…
He wasn’t shot because he was a Sovcit idiot…
Oh, yes he was.
…he was shot because he was shooting at police.
His “ideology” dictated a pathology that led to a predictable outcome. The article is a clear and concise description of the standard sovcit idiot playbook, however cops are usually successful in arresting the dopes before it gets shooty. Not always.
An hour of talking to the man. Must been white because a black man would not get this treatment if asked to exit vehicle. Matter of fact they probably wouldn't have asked.
I misread your post, but the prima facie is that he drew a weapon on law enforcement, that as a result.of being a sovcit idiot.
Chorine in the gene.pool. What a bitch.
He wasn’t shot because he was a Sovcit idiot…
Oh, yes he was.
Lots of Sovcit idiots are pulled over and NOT shot.
If a Sovcit is pull over and not shot, and a Sovcit is pulled over and shot, the status of the idiot being Sovcit or not doesn't make them be shot. Its when the idiot starts shooting at police he's shot, just like when non-Sovcit idiots shoot at police, they're shot.
So no, the idiot being sovcit didn't change the outcome.
It's providing the motive.
the man refused to exit his vehicle and identified himself as a sovereign citizen. Deputies engaged the man in conversation for over an hour in an attempt to remove him from the vehicle.
It's obviously relevant context. This situation wouldn't exist if he wasn't a sovidiot.
Its implying a motive
Why did he open fire on the cops?
Meth? Personal grudge? Former cop whistleblower fighting for his life? Just hates cops and shoots at people all the time? Suicidal? It’s part of the Who What Where Why When formula.
It’s a valid question, and valid to include in the story and, yes, in the headline.
That would be like describing 9/11 as "Man flies plane into building, twice". I imagine the cops screamed at him to submit, he refused then violence.
Because they had a conversation for an hour and a half talking to the guy before he drove off on them. That's an hour and a half of sovcit circle talk bullshit.
Right, click-bait.
I don't know what his last words were but I know they were something stupid. Maybe:
'You can't shoot me, I have a form!'
I don't consent to bleeding out
"I'm the entity, not the individual! People can die, but ideas live forev
sovereign citizens be handing a judge the "get out of jail free" monopoly card and thinking "this is real"
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT!
Sovcit learned why states have power over us.
This is the lesson I get from the movement. "States hold us hostage a gunpoint and would really really like us to give them permission, but make no mistake, step out of line and you're dead. For your own good of course !" It's like someone asks you permission, for something they were going to do anyway, but it makes them feel better if you say yes.
SovCits are just selfish assholes that want all the benefits of living in society without any of the obligations. They want to use roads, have nice things, relax, and have plenty of food, but they don't want to pay for them or contribute to their upkeep. That's why they are always trying to worm out of oaying child support, not pay for traffic violations, get out of their sewer bills, and other anti-social behavior.
There are no "lessons" from the "movement". It's ignorant hillbillies who don't know how government works, who deal with ignorance via anger, and express their anger violently like any ogre.
Does that make this an intranational incident?
He probably should have stayed in his own country
Our deputies are not required to allow anyone to violate the laws.
Wut?
It also doesn't mention anywhere who's shot hit the woman in the summary blurb. Was it the cops or the dude who began shooting at the cops that was shot dead?
Our deputies are not required to allow anyone to violate the laws.
Wut?
It's a response to the "sovereign citizen" thing. Sovcits believe that the law does not apply to them.
Since it doesn’t mention it I’ll assume it was the cops.
It's quite possible they don't know who shot the bystander and won't until after some investigation. Not a huge amount, but just reviewing any footage, seeing where people were when they were shooting and shot, probably looking at the bullets.
The first bit is because sovereign citizens believe they can opt out of the law, and police will have to let them violate the law with impunity.
Probably don’t know yet
When you hear Harris County shot a white man, you know they tried all other options first.
woman bystander shot... They can't fucking just shoot each other and leave everyone else out of it.
Hopefully it brings consequences. Every time a bullet is fired, it is required (and I guess that must be in quotes for police officers...) that you be responsible for that bullet's consequences. If you shoot at a legitimate threat, but hit the bystander, you should get charged. Cop, not-cop, firefighter, good samaritan with a gun, whatever. Charge them.
yes, should.
This, however, is America.
Land of the free policeman. Home of the not brave policeman.
I'm sure it will. The cops will be put on paid leave and then given medals. Something like that. That's what usually happens when cops kill innocent people.
In many jurisdictions if anyone is hurt related to a crime, the criminal is legally responsible for all damages.
So for a situation like this, the criminal would be responsible for all damages stemming from their initial crime when they chose to run. Any damage in the chase or subsequent actions until they are killed or in custody.
It is more likely that she be arrested for obstruction because she intercepted the bullet.
In America, automatically sue them civilly by the State for lost wages, mercenary healthcare costs, any permanent impairment risks; everything.
Your "good Samaritan with a gun" (read: dude who failed his cop exam for reasons) needs to get some insurance or his life will get very different if he maims someone with his civilian-level firearms training.
Fuck it. Charge the vigilantes with a crime if they even draw their firearm (manacing) or fire it (noise/assault/threatening/attempted murder) so they Get It.
The only thing that will stop a bad sovereign citizen with a gun is a good sovereign citizen with a gun.
A pity that there are no sovereign citizens that should ever be trusted with anything as dangerous as a pair of arts and crafts scissors for kindergarteners