RFK Jr. candidacy hurts Trump more than Biden, NBC News poll finds
RFK Jr. candidacy hurts Trump more than Biden, NBC News poll finds
The finding contrasts with a number of other national polls, and it comes amid concerted Democratic efforts to prevent Kennedy from harming Biden’s campaign.
I thought this was common knowledge months ago. Didn't Fox news even discover this shorty after they started pushing RFK Jr? I never understood why conservative media kept the RKF Jr train going after that was known.
Edit to add:
This also seems like a giant misunderstanding from the conservative side. They worship a name instead of ideology. The liberal side worships the ideology, irrespective of the name. Conservatives thought liberals would tie themselves to RFK Jr because thats what conservatives would do in the place of liberals. Whoops!
I thought this was common knowledge months ago.
It was, at least among people who don't get all their information from Fox News, Breitbart or random neo-nazis on Twitter lol, but we don't stop election polling just because one poll was already conducted months ago.
I think the right is trying to push him back into the left as a Biden alternative now that Biden is a lot more unpopular than the last time they tried.
You're supporting my point about conservatives loving a name (and thinking liberals do too), instead of an ideology. Putting his batshit craziness aside for a moment, when I look at RFK Jrs policy positions, he's not a liberal. Why do conservatives think liberals would vote for a conservative?
His policies appear to be:
- anti climate change initiatives
- anti vaccination (even for things like measles!)
- believes abortion is a tragedy, but said he'd allow it
- thinks US support of Ukraine is a mistake, and thinks diplomacy would solve it instead (Has he not read the Budapest Memorandum?)
- backs Texas's actions at the southern border
- wants to make government backed 3% mortgages, but doesn't talk about where the money would come from or where all the new housing would either
Its crazy to think that comparing to RFK Jr, George W Bush is more liberal.
Because other polls show him eating into Biden more. That’s why they were pushing him.
Even without a poll, it's common sense that he would appeal to Trump voters more. He's an anti-vax conspiracy theorist. And don't forget that for some reason, they love the Kennedy name. Remember how they were waiting around in Dallas for JFK Jr (and Sr, even!) to show up?
It was actually the anti-vax thing that has me a little worried about his ability to pull some lefties, too. We've got that kinda crazy on our side of the aisle, too. It's just flavored a little differently. Instead of being worried about mind-control chips or fetal tissue, the left is still hung up on unfounded worries about autism or GMOs.
has me a little worried about his ability to pull some lefties, too
Perhaps the "Joe Rogan" style of Lefty. But I wouldn't worry about RFK Jr signs showing up outside the newly unionized Tennessee VW auto plant.
Sadly I I think you're right. I too know quite a few people who lean left that get caught up in the whole 'GMOs and vaccines are bad' camp.
GMOs can be worrying if they are not properly researched and regulated. As a form of capitalist control GMOs are very worrying.
Maybe now, but JFK barely won the popular vote. Far from a republican favorite at the time.
Destroy First Past The Post voting before it destroys the nation.
Republicans love it because it's why they win. Democrats love it because they never have to be better as long as they can threaten us with Republicans.
The fact that the conventional wisdom portrays Kennedy as a bigger threat to Biden than to Trump is nearly as insane as Kennedy himself. Literally the only thing about him that appeals to Democrats is his last name, whereas on virtually all policy issues he's aligned with the loony fringe right.
(Mind you, I ultimately think he's going to be largely irrelevant to both sides - I think the conventional wisdom also wants to make him a big deal period because the media's obsessed with having third-party candidates matter.)
Yeah they keep saying on the news that the Kennedy name has a large pull with young democratic voters and that it just flat out wrong lol. None of the young voters were even alive when the good Kennedy was president and they were too young or still not born when the others were in office so idk where they got that shit from. Just older people in charge of writing the news I guess.
No shit. It was only right wingers who, for some reason, thought Democrats liked that nut bag even though he's one of the crazies
My working theory is that they assume Democrats are as attached to names as they are. The Kennedy name holds a lot of weight among Democrats, and therefore, Democrats will flock to anyone named Kennedy.
Their whole thing is about setting up symmetries that don't exist. They would cheat the election, and therefore, Democrats also would.
Huge tinfoil hat, anti-vaccine, anti-science. Who would have guessed...
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The latest national NBC News poll shows the third-party vote — and especially independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — cutting deeper into former President Donald Trump’s support than President Joe Biden’s, though the movement the other candidates create is within the poll’s margin of error.
The big reason why is that the poll finds a greater share of Trump voters in the head-to-head matchup backing Kennedy in the expanded ballot.
This finding, however, contrasts with the conventional political wisdom — as well as the results of other national polls — suggesting that a bigger third-party vote hurts Biden more.
The NBC News poll results on Kennedy’s impact are “different than other surveys,” said McInturff, the GOP pollster.
Most recently, Biden held an event Thursday with members of the Kennedy family who are endorsing the president over their relative.
Overall, the party is paying much closer attention to Kennedy than it has to past third-party candidates, mobilizing new super PACs and an arm of the Democratic National Committee focused on reducing the pull of his candidacy.
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Lol nice
Given that Trump is currently leading, its not great. RFK Jr dropping out just means things get worse for Biden.
Also looking gnarly downticket, as all those swing house and senate seats are worse on paper than even the top-line Presidential numbers would have them appear.
The NBC News poll was conducted April 12-16 of 1,000 registered voters nationwide — 891 contacted via cell phone. --- and the poll has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.
Goddamned Monkey's Paw to Qanon.
They wanted JFK. They might get "but we have Kennedy at home."
Less insanity on the side that doesnt reject science and reason
what a stupid fucking game
Well don't mention the quiet part out loud assholes, we want them sticking with that jackass, not dumping him for an anti-war 3rd party lefty or some shit.
Assume all the potential Biden voters vote by mail or early voting, and all the potential Trump voters go to the polls. If RFK drops out of the race on Nov. 1st, all of his would be Biden voters will have voted for him, while the would be Trump voters will have to vote for Trump.
Now, it is not cut and dry like that, but just wait, he will drop out and endorse Trump right before the election and people will call him dumb, because early votes have already been sent in.