Christian nationalists embrace Trump as their savior – will they be his?
Christian nationalists embrace Trump as their savior – will they be his?
Christians opposed to infidelity and immorality have embraced a thrice-married man who can’t name a single Bible verse
Trump is one of the least Christian people I can think of, then again that holds true for his "Christian" followers so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Theism is believing in what is not there, right?
Don't do that, his followers are indeed Christian. I don't accept the no true Scotsman fallacy, Christians do evil and these people are the dregs of the religion, not outside of it.
They seem pretty christian to me.
Christians throughout history have been vile, brutal sub-human pieces of shit who abuse, torture, molest and murder everyone around them. Modern christians supporting Trump are pretty on-brand.
I mean, people who believe in mythology (apologies to non-lunatic religious people, but these ones believe the earth is 5000yo) are primed to split their minds and ignore facts and contradictions. Perfect audience.
There aren't enough Christian nationalists to swing the election for Trump. I think people forget it was independents in a relative handful of swing districts that swung the election for Trump in 2016, but many of those same independents swung to Biden in 2020, and I see no reason to think those independents will swing back to Trump in 2024.
God i fucking hope so. Theres a massive push to convince folks to stay home or vote third party. The best hopes señor racismo has of winning is low voter turnout. Id like to think that the shrinking republican base, coupled with their continued attempts to appeal to their fringes, will swing the election to Status Quo Joe, but i cant help feeling worried.
Are there any church-going Christian users who have their finger on the pulse here? I'm interested to hear what people are thinking.
Not myself but a family member's friend's friend isn't necessarily voting for him because of his religious walk, but because he isn't Biden.
The thing is, they spend their whole existence seeking out what all they can criticize Biden for - but zero time on what they can criticize Trump for. It's imbalanced, it's been pointed out, but they don't seem to care.
They've absolutely lost some friends.
It's the "I don't like the Red Sox, but I will cheer for them vs. the Yankees"
I wish I knew. I am in absolute disbelief that so many have fallen for this guy. We're at a new church this year, partly because of the Trump nonsense. New pastor hasn't said anything remotely political and I hope it stays that way.
To be fair it is referring to Christian nationalists not your aunt Betty who goes to church on Sunday, volunteers, and keeps to herself with respect to religion and politics.
You never met Aunt Betty.
Of course, I think you're right, but I still wanted to understand things from a closer viewpoint.
I am no longer religious, but I went to a Roman Catholic school in the UK. Across most of Europe most people see Christianity...and then they see whatever the fuck is going on in America.
Reminds me of some of the theories I read from /r/trump666. I mean why support the antichrist?
For when I stop being a complete fucking moron and become a billionaire.
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Romans 13: 1-2
Except, of course, when that authority is a Democrat. Then just skip all that and rebel.
There is a study on how most Americans view religion and how it is connected to social and political norms. This "version" of Christianity is called "American Civil Religion" in the relevant sociology sub-field. I know about the articles that compare Trump to the Antichrist do so in good faith (pardon the pun) but anything from old Christian traditions isn't the focus of this sect; proof as things such as military involvement, Memorial Day, wording from the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are considered sacred.
Thus, especially in rural and suburban areas where culture is more monotone; Jesus is more of these people's "identity" rather than an example to live by (perhaps that is why identity talk seems to scare them). Once again proof, there is an American version of Christianity that is the main culture of the US.
Being Republican or Democrat does not matter much in this case as both are of the American culture. Obviously, it is up to the individual to decide how much of this should be codified into law.
- https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/civil-religion/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_religion
tl;dr: What some of you might find ironic is the studying of a religion is absolutely necessary to understanding a person's own religion without culture "baggage" (which in my own personal experience makes a person less of an extremest, see certain ultra-orthodox Jews: https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/18fc65b/antizionist_hassidic_jews_a_thread/)
Yeah, the American civil religion is becoming a dominant religion in America and it’s hard for people who don’t spend time near it to understand it. The gotchas are fun, but this is the essence of Christian nationalism in America. They don’t see the difference between religion and nation because they’ve always been tied together as part of “one of us” and “good guys” to them.
The Cold War in particular drove it to an extreme. Opposition to the “godless communists” made America, Christianity, capitalism, and the concept of a good person all deeply tied together to many of these people.
The world is changing whether they like it or not, and decades of people selling them fear and self righteousness are catching up to all of us.
May the gods have mercy on us in America, because Americans won’t.
i like how they refer to trumps presidency as singular. As if he specifically rules with authority over them, and only them.