Mass Grave in Gaza Points to “Execution-Style” Killings by Israeli Forces
Mass Grave in Gaza Points to “Execution-Style” Killings by Israeli Forces
More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far
Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.
I haven't found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway
The country genociding people have to make mass graves from executing civilians? Say it ain't so.
A lot of this really mirroring the Bosnian genocide which was only 25 years ago
Mirroring the f*cking holocaust
When people try to tell you conservatives (including neoliberals) aren't that bad, just point to this genocide.
We're just innocent men.
Governments need to take action. This is what we pay them to do. The problem is that daddy USA picked sides and everyone is too afraid to damage their relations with them.
At least Biden is starting to use his push back of Israel as his campaign strategy. "No Israel, stop, don't do it..... do they like me now? OK good. Israel, proceed. "
It's sad, it's an atrocity, it's unsurprising.
The fact this is still news in 2024 is beyond stupid.
Right? No human could possibly find genocide to be abhorrent - it must be the bots.
This is no longer shocking.
Some of the victims were blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs with zip ties.
There were witness statements of mass executions committed by the IDF 2 weeks ago, now actual evidence is found and being shown.
With how often we spar, I feel it's worth mentioning that I fully agree with you here. There's enough substantial evidence. This is horrific.
Between this and the IDF disguising itself as civilians and doctors to kill targets in a hospital, it's fairly clear that the organization needs to completely disband as part of any peace agreement.
Looked into the presenter of this video (Middle East Eye)
I've gone through the last 8 hours of Al Jazeera links - no mention of this article. The review from the last 24 hours does not mention this link. Do you have an Al Jazeera, BBC, or AP link to this video, because right now it looks fabricated with the AJ logo.
The AJ link you posted is a great article- bodies found, likely bound and executed, investigating ongoing, Palestine blames Israel.
I checked and it seems like they reposed a 2 weeks old AJ video cutting out some of their footage.
So it's less recent than I thought, but still relevant. First witness statements of mass IDF executions were ~2 months ago iirc (don't quote me on that I might be 2 weeks off)
Mee is a respectable news source. One sided for sure but they're not making stuff up.
Israel doesn't get covered much on the Arab side, they're afraid to quote lies from the IDF and tarnish their reputation of factually being factual. Unlike mostly western propaganda outlets like NYT which will happily verbatim quote every lie the IDF tells them even when it's already debunked. 40 beheaded hospital tunnels. You know the drill.
Weren't Jews kinda murderous in their own ancient fairy tales from the bible as well?
This isn't about Jewish people or the Jewish faith. This is about Zionism and settler colonialism
Exactly, the issue isn't thousands of years old. The Zionists started this shit in the late 1800s, when they realized they wanted a place for the Jewish people and decided on Palestine. They have been systematically destroying the Palestinian history and culture ever since. The latest destruction of schools and mosques is just another attempt to erase the past to make Palestinians look like they don't belong there and should be absorbed into the neighboring Arab countries.
Jews lived along side Arabs in Palestine and the other Arab countries. It was the Zionists deciding that they wanted a majority Jewish ethnostate and Arabs had to go to make it possible.
The Jews follow the Torah, not the Bible...
The Torah is part of the Bible. The semantic is not necessary. Also even Jews use term Bible or Jewish Bible when speaking about it too sometimes, including well-respected Jewish theologians.
Most people know the Bible--or rather the Old Testament--is the Tanakh, usually with a reordering of scrolls.
Get this antisemitic bullshit out of here. The state of Israel doesn't even represent all Israelis, and not remotely all Jewish people. There have been prominent Jewish people that have been anti-zionist all the way back since the 1920s to present day
Very well said.
You see a genocide, chastise the people committing it, then go on to fully support some OTHER genocide as not being good enough, because of the genocide? In a single post you’ve demonstrated that you’re no better than any of the groups of people you’re referring to within it. That’s some real batshit drivel there, my fellow human. You should get that checked out.
A question for the genocide deniers that'll pop into this thread to spout their monstrous nonsense...
Can you point to a way in which the actions, policies, or rhetoric of the Israeli government meaningfully differs from those of Novemberpogrome-era (Krystalnacht-era) Nazi Germany?
This isn't pointed at any individual, so I'm not even putting you on the spot - this is an opportunity for you to bring your best answers.
They spoke German.
Well that... that... that changes everything!
I have realized a while ago that there’s no point in arguing or discussing with genocide-deniers, pro-Israel and pro-zionists.
They will write the most delusional things, deny every evidence there’s and come up with the most delusional things to defend the Israeli-Government.
I think they're delusional enough that there's value in giving them the space to lay that delusion out for all to see. They're one of the best arguments against themselves.
It's all the work of Schrodinger's terrorist sniper. He's killed every Palestinian!
If you are asking for a devil's advocate argument, we could start with the fact that the Jews weren't exactly known for detaining, torturing, and mass executing their own.
Hamas in 2014 allegedly tortured and killed 23 Palestinians under the cover of the Gaza conflict then by Amnesty.
That's not the only time they've executed Palestinians for alleged "collaboration."
You also have the fact that the Jews didn't torture and kill hundreds of German civilians including women and infants to kick off a retaliation.
While I think Likud show a disguising disregard for civilian life and suspect a number of their party would like to carry out a one sided genocide, I also think the "it's the same thing as the Holocaust" is a pretty gross statement.
It's also probably prudent to not jump to conclusions in what's actually taking place during the fog of war. I strongly suspect Israel is committing war crimes under the current administration, but I also remember the 2008 Goldstone report where they were accused of doing so after not participating in the process at all and then years later the person spearheading that inquiry said that had they known at the time the information they learned since, they would have had a different position towards the Israeli operations.
Time has a way of revealing a lot of details that are lost in the moment, there's probably unprecedented propaganda on both sides of this conflict, and while we should err on the side of humanitarian concerns in directing foreign policy and negotiations, the process of investigating allegations is extremely important.
But to be frank, the knee jerk "this is identical to Nazi Germany killing the Jews" is ignorant as shit. You can't just ignore the existence of Hamas and the fact it controls the region with its own war crimes (which, as has been the case for ISIS/ISIL and al-Queda, are often directed at their own dissidents with greater scope and violence than foreigners).
If you're going to play devil's advocate at least know the facts. There WERE Jewish militant groups that resisted the Nazis. The oppressed are justified to fight back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
Taking everything here as fact no person would deny it. But misinformation and agendas are everywhere.
Looking into the article:
No investigation on who they are, how they were killed, who killed them or collaborated from multiple sources. These could be innocent Palestine civilians, executed Israeli hostages, executed POW from either side, soldiers killed in conflict and dumped in one spot with torn clothes, soldiers tied up to transport easier.
Democracynow.org is a heavily left leaning publication (could be irrelevantbut not balanced), cant find anything on accuracy, owned by non profits. Not published by a well known and accurate source. Assigned blame on Israel without any investigation (this is the big red flag for me).
This is a very vague article, with little backing and authority behind it. If it is true, it should absolutely be investigated and considered as a crime against humanity - but this looks like a piece with poor reporting and a heavy agenda behind it.
And before anyone calls me a genocide denier - take a step back and look at who writes the articles you read and what their agenda is. This conflict has soo much propaganda from both sides and uninformed and uneducated opinions it horrendous. My list of what is missing is longer than the article.
Al Jazeera has more detailed eye witnesses statement's and video about the mass grave found. Independent investigations are being called for but this is breaking news so that could take some time
Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.
Democracy Now have a left-wing bias, but are a factual source. . That said, I'm not here to defend them - nor do I have much interest in this particular article or event.
I was asking about the broader situation, action, policy and rhetoric. My views are based more on the history of the situation, the casualty counts, reporting from the likes of AP and Reuters, UN oversight, and significantly, the words of the Israeli leadership themselves. If nothing else, when a political leader tells you they want to exterminate a group they've been keeping in brutal conditions, then kills tens of thousands of them, I tend to believe them.
I'm not going to call you a genocide denier, but I will ask you - are you denying the genocide, and if so, on what grounds. If you have any thoughts on the differentiation from the Nazis of that era, I'd like to hear those too.
First nuanced take. Heavily downvoted. Pretty telling where a lot of pro Palestinian supporters are coming from.
There comes a time when you realize putting in the work to be logical and consistent means nothing to fanatics. They either have no idea what words mean, or they don't care, so keeping it short is just as good.
They don't care that making incredulous claims destroys their credibility. It's basically the Trump tactic of inundation the headlines with bullsht hoping something sticks.
Thank you for this. I noticed that there are no photos or other material that show any of the restraints, just the closed body bags with Hebrew tags. You would think that they would immediately photograph or film such restraints, but for some reason, they did not and they are only mentioned in the article text in both this article and the Al Jazeera source. The article on Al Jazeera's website, which includes a video overlayed with ominous music (not something a reputable outlet would do), includes the lie that the men stripped and restrained for processing a while ago were out in the cold, even though one could easily access weather data for Gaza that showed it wasn't cold at all at the time.
From a logical perspective, it would make no sense for Israel to leave the bodies behind with restraints, whereas burying bodies they come across is perfectly reasonable for the purposes of preventing disease. If the goal of this burial had been to hide executions or a massacre, then they wouldn't have tagged them, which would place the blame entirely on them.
The most reasonable explanation, in absence of more concrete evidence, is that these are either civilians found in the rubble or killed in the crossfire - or Hamas fighters who died in combat. They could also be people killed by Hamas (who just murdered a pro-peace activist after abducting and torturing him). I think what happened here is that IDF cleanup crews buried these people, likely without identifying them beyond checking if any hostages are among them, and now returning Palestinians are exhuming the bodies again in order to find missing relatives.
I also have a really hard time believing random unnamed eyewitness reports of mass executions. Given the enormous prevalence of smartphones and their extensive use to document this conflict, one would expect that an act this significant, this unquestionably monstrous would be filmed. It would be the single greatest rallying cry for the Palestinian cause imaginable. Watch any video of the aftermath of a bombing raid in Gaza and you see more people with cameras than people trying to help the wounded. If a random Belgian with a bulky camera can secretly film executions of civilians by German forces during WW1, then surely so can Gazans with much more readily available, much more concealable smartphones.