Video shows Indiana lawmaker showing holstered gun to students who were advocating for gun control
Video shows Indiana lawmaker showing holstered gun to students who were advocating for gun control
Proving that any unhinged moron can get a gun and be elected by Conservatives.
Not just can, but that's specifically why they're chosen. It's not a mistake this idiot happened to be a Republican.
That’s called brandishing, and it’s usually a crime.
Yeah and if there is no brandishing law in Indiana this could be viewed as possible assault. (Offen assault is the threat of violence, battery is the action of violence)
No, that's not how it works. Merely showing someone a gun is not "brandishing". A very simple example demonstrates how silly your claim is. Gun stores exist and involve the employee handling and showing people many guns. No one would call that "brandishing".
https://www.ce9.uscourts.gov/jury-instructions/node/1007
You're missing the point. Its not the display that is brandishing, it is display with intent to intimidate.
Let’s use knives instead. If you’re bothering me on the street, and I flash a large knife at you in response, what would be your interpretation of that gesture? Am I just getting my knife some air? Am I inviting you back to mine for a night cap? Or am I telling you to back off because I have a weapon?
You're right, your example isn't a demonstration of brandishing. But it also has nothing to do with what the article describes.
If I walk into a gun store a reasonable person would conclude that I consent to see guns. If I express an opinion about the government to my elected official a reasonable person would not conclude that I consented to be shown a gun.
It isn't the action alone, it is the context, and the context includes consent.
Real men don't need props.
That's why i never understood the angle of guns and big trucks are things deemed manly. I live on a super steep place, when i see dudes on bicycles, just huffing up there like a machine, i always think: what a bloke. When i see some ridiculous truck in my small town i just see a clown. Same with guns, it's okay you're scared of the worldbor think you'rs some sort of redneck aveenger.
I don't understand why you think only rednecks have firearms. The world has changed, a large majority of firearm owners are not rednecks. Trump helped that.
I think many of the guys out there carrying in a big truck are simply cosplaying what they think a "real man" is. They want to be cowboys in their shiny F150 trucks with Carhartts and a pistol, but actually work a desk job and have no need for any of it.
Cyclists are some of the most badass athletes on the planet. Go watch them race the Tour De France or the Giro De Italia and those dudes are blasting 120 miles every day in any weather for a month.
Some hillbilly wouldn't make it past the first half of the first day.
Lol @redneck avenger. Gonna use that one!
... call the cops. that's intimidation right there.
Yeah. I thought if you were concealed carrying, any interaction with your gun that was visible from displaying, peaking, drawing all the way to pointing was considered a criminal threat.
Except the cops are on his side....
prolly. But they still at least have to respond. but a police report citing the incident looks pretty bad.
Brandishing a firearm
My mind cannot fathom how you managed to read that law and somehow connect any of the provisions to anything that this guy did.
Wow, everyone must have been so impressed.
“emotional support firearms”
"Whoa, we have a badass here"
You forgot the space between "bad" and "ass".
Jim Lucas is such a piece of shit. He only makes my piece of shit Indiana representative (Larry Buschon) look like less of a piece of shit in comparison.
I wasn’t familiar with Lucas, but l lived in Terre Haute until about a year ago and didn’t realize anyone could make Buschon look any less shitty.
Congratulations on escaping!
Indiana: The Alabama of the Midwest
Indianapolis just held hostage by the state
Middle finger of the south
"He's got a gun. Shoot him!"
I mean, this but I unironically? Brandishing like this is an illegal threat of deadly force, which can be used to straightforwardly argue self-defense. It's a braindead move on the legislator's part, most likely a pattern of behavior (I've dealt with people who used the threat of their guns to win arguments, and it very much was a regular thing) and he's frankly lucky nobody has called his bluff yet.
You're going to have a hard time even finding a statute to charge someone under for "brandishing" that would include merely showing someone that you're carrying a weapon.
I mean… if you’re going to carry, don’t talk about it. Carrying is basically something that only makes the one carrying feel safer.
And is a tell-tale sign that the carrier is so insecure that he has to take his metal phallus symbol along.
We really need to make some way to cure micropenis. There would be more normal sized vehicles on the road and less guns to worry about. I almost feel bad for them, almost.
to anyone who understand this behavior - what's the man trying to do here? Is there any charitable read? Having a hard time imagining it.
I didn't watch the video, but it sounds like it was in the context of discussing self defense. A student asked if he meant people should carry guns, so he showed that he was carrying one in an attempt to confirm that he practices what he preaches. He was probably also trying to normalize it. Pretty dumb, but obviously not intending to intimidate the kids.
If you watch the video, it clearly didn’t seem like any kind of intentional intimidation. Definitely a whoopsie since brandishing is illegal in most but not his state. But we should be charitable to compensate for our own biases and I think the title is a bit misleading about the context
Responsible gun owners sure do seem to have a lot of "whoopsies".
"Whoopsie, I seem to have brandised my weapon at children"
"Whoopsie, I seem to have allowed my gun to be stolen"
"Whoopsie, a family member seems to have comitted suicide with my poorly secured firearm".
"Whoopsie, I seem to have shot a child in the face over a misunderstanding".
Straight up intimidation.
Video from AP:
Was revealing the holstered weapon necessary, when he could have simply referred to it?
Debatable. (Nah.)
Did it intimidate?
Perhaps. Hair on my neck would momentarily spike.
Did the lawmaker aim to intimidate?
Almost certainly not.
Dude was admittedly nice enough to stop & chat with the kids. Everyone was polite & reasonable.
It’s a damn shame the man lives in a world where he can even argue he feels safer carrying death on him. Things that can launch projectiles would be confined to fun & safe spaces (e.g. shooting ranges) - the only places people could safely use them - in a better world. But, he has a perception (one I don’t share). He discussed it, and used a visual aid.
I think pointing towards the outside of his coat at his hip would’ve been smarter.
I guarantee the only reason he was "nice enough" to stop and talk to the kids was because he knew he was carrying, and he wanted to make them uncomfortable. Everything else was him working toward that goal, he had zero intention of actually having a good faith conversation with them.
If he wasn't carrying his handheld penis extender, he wouldn't have gone over to talk to them in the first place
It's a good thing THOSE kids didn't have Guns otherwise they would have Shot him in Self Defense! That's how it works right Conservatives?
Yeah it is hard to follow the logic. If one of the kids felt threatened they should have shot him in self defense but at the same time he would have shot the kid because he felt threatened. Ever since Kyle Rittenhouse crocodile tears it's basically last man standing is the morally correct one. Which further means that you are better off being the one to make the first attack.
Brave new world. You are allowed to be threatening and not allowed to be threatening at the same time.
My state is an absolute shithole.
We got out about a year ago, I feel ya.
It was surprisingly low effort to GTFO, found a nice lil town just across the IL line - might as well only have moved across town for all the work involved, but with the bonus of a hell of a lot fewer unnecessary Trump flags and the like.
Which state isn't?
We're fond of New Mexico.
Kid in the left looks so over this guy's shit hahaha
Much ado about fucking nothing. He was like "I'm protecting your right to carry, blah blah, I'm even carrying right now". Whatever, this is basically an article and thread for pearl clutchers.
You know how it's crass and rude to drink in front of a recovering alcoholic, or to bring up traumatic triggers to people who are suffering PTSD(like say using a firecracker around a veteran). To people afraid of issues caused by gun ownership, there was no need to flash the gun to get his point across. It comes off as more of either a threat, or a total disinterest in treating the other side with respect.
So he said “I’m here to protect the right to do exactly what you’re protesting against”? That’s the point. I don’t think I would have been intimidated but I would have thought he’s a cunt.
Yes, very nice, now unzip your pants and show me the size of that dick. If you're gonna show off, then show off.
Headline makes it sound like he was threatening them. He was not.
The federal term for this is "brandishing" and while that isn't specifically listed in Indiana state laws, intimidation is illegal.
After watching the video, I don't know that I'd say he was showing them the gun to be intimidating. Quite the opposite, it made him look cowary and small. I can understand why the students felt uncomfortable, but I don't know that a prosecutor could make the case for intimidation.
Yeah. Despite fucked up beliefs we was engaged in respectful dialogue which is better than most
Just showing a holstered weapon is not inherently "brandishing".
Right, brandishing implies intent to intimidate or threaten someone. That's why I said in the second paragraph it doesn't seem like he's trying to be intimidating. To be clearer, what I should have said is "the term in question is brandishing" and the answer is "no, he wasn't brandishing his weapon."
Yeah if that were the case, police with a pistol on their hip or anyone open carrying would be brandishing. A bunch of states have permitless open carry. I think you have to have the gun in your hand to be guilty of brandishing, although I'm sure laws vary from state to state.
I got stopped by plainclothes cops one time and I wasn’t even sure if they were really cops, and one guy said “yeah, here’s my badge and this is my gun” and showed me. I was just oh, okay, but it came up in court, and the issue was it could be seen as intimidating (the cop lied and said it didn’t happen!).
All the cop had to do was show their badge and ID. No gun required to prove that they were a cop.
If only he was a tall 21 year old black man I bet they could.