Privacy @lemmy.ml Gooey0210 @sh.itjust.works 5 mo. ago

European countries from privacy and freedom perspective

Hey-ho, privacy enthusiasts

I'm currently traveling around the world, and thinking about staying in Europe for 5ish years

But i'm a tinfoil guy and aware of the "many eyed beast"

So, what do you think? All lies and everything is actually dystopian, or everything should be fine?

I'm actually thinking about 4 countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece (because don't like cold, and actually a little bit sick of other countries in the EU😅😅😅)

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Most shops have online presence. You can easily compare the price of tinfoil rolls using Google translate.
Having read your assumptions about Europe, you'll be pleased to hear that mental healthcare is free in most countries

Wtf?
- I wouldn't call him mental ill. Maybe he's a small time crook, sells and smokes weed and has a little bit of paranoia.
  
  Truth be told, in my criminal past (mostly online fraud, but some real life crime too), I have had similar thoughts. But hey, don't do stupid shit in countries which you don't know.
  
  You're mostly correct. But they reason i'm paranoid because I just don't think it's a right thing to spy on people. I'm more kind of a free spirit and share love guy, and I don't like the idea of living in the world of lies being constantly observed
  
  Edit: In addition, you never know what's going to be illegal tomorrow, you don't need anything to hide to feel disgusted about governments spying on people
- Wait a sec, are you saying this because of the "eyes beast"??
  
  I meant 5-9-14 eyes alliances between countries to spy on each other's citizens
  
  Also, I said it in a naruto "* tailed beast" way 😁
  
  Or I just can't understand what you meant 😅😅😅
  
  Also, I said it in a naruto "* tailed beast" way 😁
  
  Or I just can't understand what you meant 😅😅😅
  
  Oh, the irony
Here in Spain there’s minimal surveillance outside the big cities. My town (circa 40K residents) has no public cameras in town (I lived in the UK and they were everywhere).
- Get it, get it
  
  But cameras are not the only concern, what's about internet traffic analysis, piracy, ability to rent something or get some service like sim or home internet without documents and stuff
  
  Or even transportation, like busses, trains, etc
  
  Don't get me wrong, i'm asking so I can have a better picture of how the stuff really works
  
  https://idm.net.au/blog/002646two-years-european-isp%E2%80%99s-data
  
  Gotcha
  
  Internet is somewhat restricted but only the most common sites are blocked
  
  Renting requires ID - passport or Spanish ID, same with Internet or a SIM card
  
  Transportation there’s no ID requirements on buses and trains
Depends on your threat model... What do you think could cause problems while traveling through Europe in your opinion?
- I know Europe is probably like the best place for digital privacy, but at the same time for me it's unsettling to see that some of the European cities are the most surveiled cities in the world, and how even countries in Europe are trying to ban e2e encryption
  
  Add the 5-9-14 eyes, strict anti piracy rules in some countries, stories about people getting arrested for messaging something, or doing something political, and you will get a pretty grim picture
  
  My main problem with this, I don't like being surveiled, nobody needs to have a thread model against being surveiled, because this is just nuts
  
  Probably my stand is a little bit radical, I usually don't carry a sim card, use Lora for a remote access to my home server, I would never go to the land of free or use any of their services, same with the land of China
  
  Come to Italy then. Our services don't give a fuck unless you're actually a terrorist.
  
  And you can pirate all you want with no repercussions.
  
  A lot of this CCTV is just in shops and stuff, not necessarily the government. Not much you can do about that, it’s just culture.

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