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Orbán: 'There is no war in Ukraine' as no declaration of war from Russia

dailynewshungary.com Orbán: 'There is no war in Ukraine' as no declaration of war from Russia

Orbán just took the Russian narrative of war in the pro-government press to a whole new level. #orbán #war #ukraine #russia #politics

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You know what Viktor? Even kids can work out what's going on in Ba Sing Se. Which makes you dumber than a small child.
- Sounds like it's time for that Sartre quote again:
  
  “Never believe that [they] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. [They] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.”
  
  So, the societal problem is created when bad faith actors are given a platform, right? But bad faith actors tend to be great at generating outrage and division and thus drive engagement and clicks - which makes money for the platforms.
  
  How do we solve this?
  
  I think what's sad is this can be applied to pretty much all nations when it comes to acknowledging war.
Someone should invite Orban to a vacation in Donetsk. Since there is no war, I'm sure he'll gladly accept.
- Maybe a nice seaside excursion in Mariupol. Stick a toe in the Sea of Azov...
Is he deliberately trying to be a clown?
- Bozo the Holocaust Enabler
So if I kill someone then hide the body and refuse to admit I killed anyone, there was no murder?
- I think a better analogy would be if you kill someone and then deny murder while being caught standing over the dead body with a bloody knife and the victim's blood all over you while you're still stabbing the corpse.
  
  I swear officer, I was set up continues to stab the corpse
  
  Carl: Alright, well…I was upstairs…
  
  Paul: Okay…
  
  Carl: I was uh…I was sitting in my room…
  
  Paul: Yes?
  
  Carl: reading a book…
  
  Paul: Go on…
  
  Carl: And, uh, well this guy walked in…
  
  Paul: Okay…
  
  Carl: So, I went up to him…
  
  Paul: Yes…
  
  Carl: And I…I stabbed him 37 times in the chest.
  
  Paul: Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarl, that KILLS people!
  
  Carl: Oh! Well, I didn’t know that!!
  
  It was a special insanguinatory operation.
  
  A better analogy would be that if you had thrust your head so far up Putin's arse that you could taste the pirozhki, then you too would probably find your mouth constantly full of his shit.
  
  Orban is scum.
So…. When do we get to kick Hungary out of the club?
Well, lets call it an armed robbery, then.
- Violent invasion and genocide are good enough, me thinks
Once this is all over and Ukraine still exists, Hungary probably won't be a friend of Ukraine.
- Orban openly has designs on parts of Ukrainian territory. If Russia manages to win, I’m fairly confident that Putin will give some portion of Ukraine to him, which is one of the main reasons he vibes with Putin. Orban wants to try to recreate a modern Austro-Hungarian empire… just like Erdogan wants to recreate a modern Ottoman Empire… just like Putin wants to recreate a modern Tzarist Imperialist Russia.
  
  I think the Russian Empire will not give away expensively conquered land and people to basically a political vassal who is a member in a concurrent political entity and system. Today's Political Hungary might have powerful aspirations, but it's current actual power is somewhat limited to a gatekeeper (migration, military aid, energy flows) since Hungary is not a big entity like the USA, Russia, China or the EU as a whole.
  
  I wonder how much the situation would compare to a hypothetical scenario where Texas would hold trade talks with China.
Pretending he's right doesn't that make it even worse.
He says no war in Ukraine, but at the same time his propaganda in Hungary says the high inflation is because of the war, the opposition parties would join the war in Ukraine, all the problems in the country, at the moment, are because of the war, not because of him.
What Russia is doing is state operated terrorism. Aka, war.
What a fucking clown.
Well that's just disingenuous as all fuck.
And England didn't take India from anyone, because the natives didn't have a flag.
Block all major roads going out of Hungary with trucks and call it a total random strike of truck drivers until he changes his tune.
This has "I'm not touching you" vibes.

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