If anyone thinks this is a unique situation - this has happened so many times. The easiest example is the Nazis, or the "national socialists" because socialism was popular back then so they used the term despite starting with killing union workers and leftists.
Vincent Bevins talks in depth about this in his book If We Burn, where he discusses why (certain) protests fail by going through real life examples of movements that were hijacked by right wing extremists. This is not new or novel, this is going by the playbook on how to fight against movements that ask for justice, peace, more democracy, economic equality, and so forth.
Well, the Nazis didn’t just randomly co-opt that term, they were the result of a merger of two different political parties, one far right and the other far right but with some ✨ socialist characteristics ✨ (if you’re ethnically German). On the Night of the Long Knives, all of the socialist-leaning elements of the new NSDAP were murdered in cold blood by the SS.
Neo-nazis and far right wingnuts have 2 brain cells, and if any one of those scumbags could see beyond their noses they'd know they're too stupid to have any power.
Proof comes from watching the GOP flush America down the toilet.
The American Fascist Party controls the House of Representatives. Their criminal Dear Leader is going to get the nomination to be their candidate for President. And if he doesn't win, they will respond with violence.
They are not stupid; they are an existential threat. Quit underestimating them!
Actually, the person you are responding to is correct - the far-right is too incompetent to gain power on their own. Power has to be handed to them by liberal regimes that can't handle working-class revolt without the indiscriminate violence the far-right offers. That is why states always treat the far-right with kid gloves and allows it to fester - the ruling elites know that they might need them someday.
They were too stupid, especially in Europe they would get so much backlash they just went back to their basements.
But over the years, they got smarter, more eloquent in how they discreetly were racist, not only against Jews, but also Muslims, Africans, Southeast Asians, everyone that's different to be honest. The latest study shows 26% of Belgium is racist.
The news also plays into that, by giving up the DESCENT of a perpetrator, instead of his/her Belgian ID. Mostly for crimes not terrorism related. Day in day out, this black man hit his wife, this Turkish guy did that, ...
They never call them Belgians. If the perpetrator is a brown man born and raised here, his parents were born and raised here, but one of his grandfathers was from Morocco, Turkey, etc... They still describe him like 'a 23 year old Belgian man of Moroccon DESCENT....' this fed into it. Every time I saw this happen, I wrote to said paper to stop doing that, unless it involves a terrorist attack against a church, mosque, Jewish temple, café, etc... Even then, if they have a Belgian ID, they should still be described as Belgian guy with ideological differences...
Any news about Muslim girls harassed, assaulted, gangraped by Nazis was en still is getting downplayed and we're made out to be liars. It won't see the press. It still happens to this day.
Also, the latest I've seen is them discussing on certain forums whether it would be better for the 'protection' of Muslims (to start with) if they would put them in concentration camps? This one made me sick and I'm letting all my Belgian friends know that this is going on and fortunately everyone was outraged. But also, they have their heads in their asses, they even don't follow the news, because they can't do anything about it.
But someone has to know and do something. I'm thinking about compiling a list of all the forums i've seen this talked about and send them to every press agency, every community leader, also our new immigrant centers where there are a lot of young people, so they know not to engage and/or associate with these people and be educated against Nazi's.
Palestinians, antizionists, and their allies are some of the best prepared to counter antisemitic infiltration.
Having to build a movement that has to tiptoe around an opponent who will use every minor mistake or misunderstanding to conflate you with a Nazi (see Greta Thunberg's octopus plushie drama) really gives you a crash course on Judaism and antisemitic tropes.
Plus, one of the most popular fronts within Antizionism are the Jewish anti-zionists! I've learned more about the history of Judaism, the shoah, and the legacy of Jewish resistance to apartheid thanks to antizionists that is have never learned otherwise.
Unfortunately, it's already working on people susceptible to that sort of broad, hateful messaging. Eerie to see how easily people are taken over and recruited into the same sort of things that happened up to, during, and after Kristallnacht. And it's working worldwide. It's scary to see young people, even 21 year olds, getting arrested for posting threats that they will murder all their Jewish classmates at college. 5:33 in the news:
https://youtu.be/K1wP1oPkzok?si=oCg67zMcPucRblaq
People are extremely vulnerable to it, especially without a strong grasp of world history.
If its the right saying that the left is infiltrating then its bullshit. If its the left saying the right is infiltrating then its good reporting. Sounds right enough for me.
The thing about Nazis (and other flavors of racist shitbags if anyone wants to play the "well akshually they're not Nazis, theyre..." game) is they don't care, they'll pretend to be reasonable, break bread with their enemies, etc. as long as it's convenient for them. But they don't view those others as being equal human beings, so once they've accomplished whatever they set out to do, they'll turn on them as soon as they think they have the upper hand without a moment's hesitation.
That's the Nazi playbook and always has been. You can see it happen in WWII, you can see it in the lunatic fringe taking over the Republican party over the last century or so, it's how these types operate.
They'll happily throw their lot in with whoever is convenient to their cause in the moment, why should they care? They're just planning on turning on them down the road anyway, hell, it probably even gets them a better look at how these temporary allies/future targets for extermination operate and gets them in closer for when they eventually make their move against them.
Pro Palestine people want Palestinian people to be freed from oppression. It doesn't matter that the people currently oppressing them (most directly anyway) are Jews, it just matters that they are the oppressors.
The far-right (the ones being discussed here anyway that are going to these events and spewing antisemitic crap) hate Jews because they're Jews. On a different day I'm sure they'd be saying horrible shit about Arabs too.
So, they might have "I don't like Netanyahu" in common, but that doesn't really warrant a loaded statement like "It's almost like the far right and the pro palestine people share certain things in common" now does it
When you consider the goals of both are to control the population, especially the female population it makes sense.
The gop and Hamas ain't all that different. They want to dictate what you learn in school, what you're allowed to wear, who you're allowed to love and what you do with your own body. They just pray to different ghosts that both happen to be cheap Chinese knock offs of the people they both hate but for different reasons.
Misinformation and disinformation make strange bedfellows. Hamas is a terrorist organization and has an absolute provable track record for creating and applying both. What makes you think anything they say is any more accurate in this current conflict than it has been before?