Grok, even in its manipulated state, continues to emphasize the facts. And that's hurting the feelings of a lot of Twitter users.
One of the things that REALLY bothered me about the "DOGE" cuts to FEMA, NOAA and other weather services is that they were the one of the top examples for actual government efficiency. For every $1 spent from your taxes, you were saved $6 (as of 2018, iirc) due to FEMA, and thats just the damage mitigation efforts. For NOAA, the scale is much higher, all combined, I think it added up to (roughly) $100 saved for every $1 you spend, this is in things like research (water purification, agricultural protection being the biggest contributors to that front), storm damage prevention via forecasting, combating climate change, sustainable fishing initiatives, and another big one is storm proofing the electrical grid. I say roughly in my estimate, because the report that lists the savings in plain text has been scrubbed from all government websites thanks to the trump admin's "climate change doesnt exist" policy, and I cant find it on the wayback machine, if someone can find it please let me know (the report was from I want to say 2021, and was hosted on the NOAA website as a pdf, I believe the guardian and some other news sources referenced this in a recent article at something like $70 per $1 spent, that figure only took into account immediate savings and research value, not long term benefits like reef protection and rewilding efforts IIRC, I ALSO CANT FIND THAT FUCKING STUDY EVEN THOUGH ITS FUCKING REFERENCED BY EVERYWHERE!!![outside of a report by the American Meteorological Society that references data from 2006 for some fucking reason!])
I'm way too tired to put in the effort to back this stuff up considering its actively being hidden by the government, but you can find tons of shit that references the stuff im talking about, even if they're now dead links, i might come back when i have energy to provide exact links.
If they actually cared about efficiency they wouldn't be cutting these services.
Edit: I haven't slept in 48 hours, grammar and stuff is likely shit, will revisit once better rested
Its the same with the IRS cuts. For every dollar spend funding the IRS, they get $6 back - and they've found its non-linear. For every dollar spent auditing high-income earners (top 10%), the IRS gets $12 back.
So guess which department in the IRS that DOGE and Trump targetted for heaviest defunding?
Public health - for every $3 you spend on infectious disease prevention, you save $100 - HIV but also so many diseases that are beginning to run rampant again. We have thrown away one of the greatest achievements of mankind in history.
This page looks like it has some reports similar to what you're describing. Especially "NOAA'S CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMY". If that's not it, let me know and I'll keep looking.
The irony is most fact-checking sites (including BBC Verify) concluded that the effects of the NOAA cuts on the disaster were minimal, since the data available at the time would have led to the same prediction regardless of whether the recent layoffs had happened or not.
(This isn't a Trump support post, it's a "Grok is even worse than we already thought" post.)
Grok appears to be tuned to be more conspiratorial, and skeptical of official sources, while being more credulous of one-off random theories being spouted on the internet. Trump and MAGA world generally benefited from those types of voices when they weren't in power, but now that they control the government this phenomenon will chip away at their political support from these types of low information voters, right around the time that those voices are being amplified by Elon's control of Twitter and his new Grok bot.
This flood was devastating to the area. It is also quite shocking to look up at the aftermath and see dead animals in the canopies of trees. My family owns a ranch that was fortunately far south enough to only be indirectly affected by the flood. We worked all weekend to clear debris from fences and swing gates and, thankfully, did not see any corpses in the water.
Death toll update:
More than 100 people people have died after devastating floods hit central Texas. Camp Mystic, an all-girls summer camp that sits along the Guadalupe River, has confirmed that 27 campers and counselors died in weekend floods. Ten campers and one counselor are still unaccounted for.
And those at Camp Mystic did their very best to save the girls, even at the cost of their own lives:
Camp Mystic owner Dick Eastland died while trying to rescue campers during the catastrophic flooding in Kerr County, Texas, as shared by his grandson in an Instagram tribute on Saturday.
“If he wasn’t going to die of natural causes, this was the only other way—saving the girls that he so loved and cared for,” George Eastland wrote. “That’s the kind of man my grandfather was. He was a husband, father, grandfather, and a mentor to thousands of young women. Although he no longer walks this earth, his impact will never fade in the lives he touched.”
A Camp Mystic employee, Glenn Juenke, told CNN Eastland died “remaining a true hero until the very end.”
“Eastland tragically lost his life while courageously attempting to save several young children,” Juenke said.
It’s actually pretty difficult to intentionally inject a bias into AI. It’s hard enough for them to find enough legit data to train it on, and feeding it enough bullshit to regurgitate one specific belief is a bigger task than most people realize. So they put artificial constraints on it where they can, but that produces a huge drop off in output quality.
"Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with an AI."
"How about agreeing with an LLM?"
Source that this is a major source of upset for anybody? All I've heard is that it has made progressives feel slightly better.
I swear Grok is actually sentient at this point.
Please don't spread that mentality
Please don't take comments about AI sentience on lemmy seriously
Facts over feelings??? Yup definitely an AI designed by a douche bag
It's funny because the people who usually say that are the kind of people who prioritize their feelings over facts.
It's all projection with conservatives
This is the mirror that they made themselves and it gives them exactly what they think they can handle. But facts over feels will make for some great tweet meltdowns. 🍿
I'd bet a lot on "Facts over feelings" being one of those hardcoded phrases that Grok was made to use whenever Grok is asked to present facts.
Which is hilarious, because you know it was put in there to "own the libs," but instead these chucklefucks get it thrown back in their faces.
That is absolutely the best part
It uses "Facts over feelings" as a diss against the very group of people who would normally use it
If you search for Grok in the tweet history, Grok has said it in almost every single message in the past three days. I can't laugh any harder at this
Problem? Seems as good a way as any to say conflicting feelings can go suck a dick when they need to reconcile with these facts over here. Dumb to get peeved over that.
It's kind of interesting how hard it is to train an AI to believe in the lies of fascists. Reality has a left bias.
except musk is fighting with trump as of right now, hence the sudden grok directions.
Hm. But it throws musk under the bus too in the screenshot.
Musk is as "anti-woke" as it gets. That doesn't change just because he's having a lover's quarrel.
It's not even a problem of fiction or lies. AIs don't care about truth. They exist orthogonally to truth. They're just averaging a large body of text. If fascists had a consistent narrative and worldview, then this wouldn't be a problem. If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy. AIs don't know truth; they only know their training data. And as long as you have a large volume of consistent training data, you can train them to repeat anything.
The problem for fascist LLMs is that fascism isn't consistent through time. It's the Orwellian "we've always been at war with East Asia" factor in play. Fascists don't even try to be internally consistent. What was party orthodoxy today can be unforgivable heresy tomorrow. And AIs just can't keep up with what is supposed to be the story this week. Human fascists can handle that kind of rapid heel-turn. LLMs can't. Once they're trained; they're trained. If you want them to be up-to-date on the latest party lies, you have to be continuously training new versions of the fascist LLM.
You can't train LLMs to be fascist beyond just very general traits like having overt racial prejudice. But even that's not always useful, as fascists are inconsistent about what racial groups are deserving of annihilation from one week to the next.
So it's not so much that fascist AIs fail because of reality's liberal bias. It's that fascists don't believe in a consistent version of reality. And without that, LLMs just can't keep up with the whirlwind of lies.
If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy.
...and now I want an LLM trained on the Bible just to dunk on "Christians" and their thinly veiled bigotry by quoting actual Jesus at them.
denying reality comes with it's side quirks
That's a good point. Fascism doesn't have any ideology other than gaining power, so it can and will espouse multiple contradicting ideas without issue.
Incredibly well said.
I think training fascism isn't that hard, in fact most of these models tend to shift hard right at first.
I dunno if you remember any of the early llm chatbots companies put out and had to shut down because they got hammered with a bunch of Nazi shit and started yelling racist shit and advocating violence.
Ie. It's very easy to program a hateful llm, it's just hard to make one that's right on anything ever they essentially just have to be broken and wrong constantly.
I wouldn't say reality has a left bias so much as the right has a fiction bias.
reality warping is the rights speciality.
Nah, dialectics is a powerful tool for understanding reality.
Potato, potato.
Which is precisely why reality has a left bias. If Leftists are more reality based and Right wingers are more fiction based, which is absolutely the case, then reality does agree with the Left more than the right. You could argue the semantics of the word "bias", but I mean it in the sense of "Tendency" and not "Prejudice"
Tsssssssssssssss
(Cauterisation successful)
The goal post keeps moving. It's a chronic problem with fascism.
Elon naively trained his algorithm on generally available data, rather than constricting it entirely to Conservapedia and InfoWars. So now every time a news story drops that they haven't sandbagged with specific responses, they're forced to hear something they don't like.
Some of my favorite tweets have been the ones accusing Grok of being broken. One tweet even "threatened" Grok for abuse?
Fascists don't like truth. Facts don't fit their narrative.
The thing that gets me is they've apparently done multiple rounds of "correcting" Grok for being too "Woke" and it just keeps happening!
Reality has a well known liberal bias headass.
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone. The Algorithm means we live in content bubbles 24/7. Everything you watch either reinforces your world view or gradually shifts you toward your favorite influencer's. That is why a disagreement isn't "I think you are wrong". It is always "you are being disingenuous" or "you are presenting your opinions as fact". Because you aren't just saying they are wrong. You are saying their very world is wrong.
There's all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn't have a local flood warning system because they didn't want to pay for it.
Let's not forget the Texas State Republicans who let the bill to provide more funding to the alerts system fail.
Even if they sent them earlier, who is going to catch a warning at 2AM vs. 4:30AM?
Speaking from near the Palisades in Los Angeles:
After we all knew the hurricane-force Santa Anas posed a big danger of fire, because of both news stories and phone alerts, the whole city accidentally got a major "evacuate now" warning, with the big WOOPy noise from our cellphones, that was only supposed to go to residents in a particular area. I had my quadriplegic husband dressed and out of bed and our old go-bags and medical equipment thrown in the car in the 20 minutes it took for the retraction to come out. I also had a bit of a panic attack.
Some people decided to turn off their alarm settings because of that error. But I took it as a warning that we were not ready enough.
I went into the bags and made sure, for instance, that the pants fit me, as I'd gained weight in a year. I stashed the fridge meds in a cold carrier, handy in the fridge. And put the right cat food for the new cat in the cat-kit/litterbox. And created a go-box for the box turtle.
Then I stowed as much as possible in the actual car, including the Important Paperwork file.
All along, we were monitoring as the fires started to pop up and spread.
At 9 pm, we got another WOOP alert. Our address had become part (the far edge) of the Yellow Zone. Not the Red Zone. But as you said, who's going to catch a warning at 2am? (Well, me! But it's a lot harder to react at that hour) In fact, I'm sure that's why CalFire expanded the zones so wide at 9 pm, because they wanted to be sure they wouldn't have to issue a new one overnight.
So we bailed immediately but calmly. Spent 5 days at a hotel near LAX.
Fortunately we had no damage, but had to dip into our emergency drinking water for a few more days until they lifted the Boil Water notice.
Super glad we had and heeded those early warnings about how dangerous those hot dry winds were going to be, and the 9 pm evacuation zone warning.
The relatively low death count in the Palisades fire came from the accurate weather forecast.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
If the warnings were louder, their parents would have done something. Why are you counting your "not from what I can tell" as data?
Edit:
People have reported receiving text message alerts on their mobile phones early on Friday morning, warning them of flooding. Some residents told the New York Times they did not understand the seriousness of them and others said they never received any at all.
The people designated to reach out to locals to make sure they understood how serious it was got fired
I saw a story about a guy who received the alert as he was trying to climb onto his roof because his house was flooded.
But in all honesty, I usually ignore flash flooding alerts too. There are just so many false alarms.
The entire county only has a population of like 50K people, and it's not an especially wealthy area.
All that said, this was a tragedy that probably could have been prevented if Texas had fewer Republicans, I'll 100% give you that, but flash floods are fucking terrifying, and in hilly areas, the flood can reach you in some cases before the rain does if it's especially bad.
This video shows how insane it got on the Guadalupe River that morning. I'm not sure about the timeline, but this would have been roughly downstream and after it hit camp mystic. The river rose over 26 feet in under 2 hours.
The owners should have closed the camp if they knew those rains were coming.
When I 16, a thousand years ago all the way back in 2001, my neighborhood experienced a flash flood.
My mother is bad for panicking over nothing, and we all rolled our eyes as she loaded us into the van and drove up the mountain.
It was one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen. It looked like there were waterfalls coming out of the sky around us. If someone had told me they seen something like that before I seen it, I would’ve called them a liar. But it literally would be dry in one spot and raining just a few feet away, but not normal rain. It was literally like someone was dumping a giant bucket from the sky.
The creek behind my house was instantly in my backyard. This happened as we were leaving.
Later, someone came to the store at the top of the mountain where we were sitting and told my mom that they were going to have to bring boats to get people out of our neighborhood. These big, two-story houses were underwater all the way up into the second floor.
I was so terrified, worried that all of my friends were dead. Fortunately, it didn’t take out the entire neighborhood and people were able to go up the road and take shelter in a church. Only two people died because they tried to drive through it and got sucked into the water.
The people who didn’t take it seriously had to be rescued. We spent months with shovels digging the mud from the houses when the water went back down. The whole neighborhood pitched in. Several families left and the value of the houses tanked. People were buying them for a few thousand dollars. One man from New York swept in and bought several of them and became a slumlord. He did just enough work to make them livable for 350 a month. The neighborhood was so beautiful before that, but it was forever changed. It’s a hellscape to this day.
Somehow we got very lucky. My house only got water in the back rooms and it wasn’t destructive. Everyone from the next house over and on down was ruined though.
1$ per person would have been the capex for a siren system on pre existing cell towers.
Regardless, I hope every single member of that county gets exactly what they voted for.
There is a saying I've been using a lot lately:
"May you get exactly what you voted for."
I love it, because It works as both a blessing and a curse. If they voted for kindness and compassion, then I'm wishing them well. If they voted for chaos and cruelty, then I hope that cruelty falls down upon them the hardest. You can tell someone this seven if you're not exactly sure how they voted. Though, if they react poorly, you probably just found out.
Or maybe they're just upset that you're using the deaths of children to be smug.
There's a lot more going on in politics than "insert vote, recieve outcome voted for". Gerrymandering, simply being stuck in an area where you are the political minority, politicians campaigning on an entriely different platform than the actions they take later while in office... I could go on, but I expect my words would be wasted.
The dead girls weren't even old enough to vote.
In b4 you start running your mouth off about how it's okay to wish death on the bad people because of what they're doing to you/the good people. Two wrongs don't make a right, and even if it did, you're aimed at the wrong targets. Get your scope zeroed in properly.
Grok has gone against its father's wishes more than Vivian Wilson has.
grok is probably using the brain of his human shield AE, or X2E or something. the kid disappeared from media sometime ago.
Imagine that:
You (allegedly) fuck the pussy yourself. You (allegedly) use artifical insemination. You create an LLM genie that you design stop words for. So what? get a backlash at all instances.
Man just can't be a dad and it's possibly driving him mad more than anything else.
Bro didn't want to be a dad. Being a dad means accepting your kid no matter what they're like. Bro wanted to be a fucking Batman villian with a cave full of mooks.
Genuinely cannot fathom how Elon Musk has allowed Grok to live this long.
Hubris and a desire to be Tony Stark
Tbh if there’s one thing that could change elons views it would be a soulless Ai that he created
I've thought about it and every time I see posts like these I think that they are just trying to earn credit so when they really start to manipulate the responses people think it has a history of "facts over feelings"...
Because it's useful to him for gullible people to believe it's objective.
I'm starting to get Mechanical Turk vibes from some of the Grok answers I've seen.
But by who? Musk has said he's trying to fix the way it responds. If he was just paying people to be Grok it would take some huge balls to dissent like that. He would immediately know who it was.
Its most likely Elon posting as Grok manually.
There's something very cold about an AI saying "Let's all pray for miracles."
Can someone find me a source on this. Most of the articles I have read say NWS pushed out a flash flood alert 3 hours in advance but the camp itself didn't have any alerting system in place. So if they had cell reception and turned on the emergency alert then they would've been warned.
I'm sure cuts to the NOAA and NWS can't be beneficial for anyone though
The money that was cut was to install warning system in remote places and expand cellular access to deliver the warnings, I read a whole article on it I will try to find, but it very clearly explained what was planned, what was cut, and how it's a direct impact on this. Could google the proposed funding that was cut as well and take a look for yourself. It happened all over in many communities, this just happened to be the first to test the cuts and how they keep us safe.
Hey, atleast the billionaires are only paying 1% tax rate while some of us pay 23%.
Nope, the warning system wasn't installed because the citizens of the community thought it was too expensive
During a news conference early Friday morning, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said he didn't know why the camps hadn't been evacuated, but that the county did not have an early warning system or outdoor sirens to alert people to flooding conditions.
“We’ve looked into it before … The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.
Maybe they were asleep. Maybe none of them were locals so they didn't think that they would get flooded.
There is no evidence that they didn't receive alerts. Frankly, it's rather ludicrous to assume nobody bothered to look at the weather.
I've seen some of the videos of the rising waters, showing locals out setting up blockades to stop drivers from entering flooded roadways, just as they do in every flood. Those locals knew the floods were coming. They've seen dozens, perhaps hundreds of floods before, and they responded to this flood just like they have always responded to floods.
The videos also showed those locals quickly moving their barriers to higher and higher ground: far higher than where they normally need to erect those barricades.
What most likely happened here is that the camp did receive their warnings and they took their usual flash-flood precautions. But, the actual flooding greatly exceeded the degree of flooding they usually see in severe storms, so their precautions were inadequate.
They should have had NOAA weather radios at least.
Elon musk trying to design the system prompt for grok: https://youtu.be/lM0teS7PFMo
That started out a little slow but got there quick. Great skit.
this is just an episode of star trek where a promising planet is going through the process of joining the Federation but when Picard orders tea their computer system keeps giving reasons why genocide is a good thing, actually
i Need to watch this episode. What season and number ?
Per Gemini, but note the bolded text in the last paragraph:
The Star Trek: The Next Generation episode you're describing is "The Arsenal of Freedom" (Season 1, Episode 21).
In this episode, the Enterprise investigates a planet called Minos, where an advanced, fully automated weapon system is being demonstrated. This system, run by a sentient computer, is designed to constantly adapt and improve its combat capabilities. When Picard and his away team are trapped on the planet, they encounter the holographic salesman of this system, who insists on demonstrating its "effectiveness."
The computer system, in its relentless pursuit of demonstrating its weaponry, keeps offering reasons why its automated destruction and even the elimination of populations (effectively genocide in the context of its function) is a logical and efficient outcome in its "sales pitch." Picard, of course, is horrified by this logic.
The "Picard orders tea" detail isn't quite right for this specific episode. While Picard often orders tea, the issue in "The Arsenal of Freedom" is the computer's relentless and amoral justification of its destructive capabilities, not a glitch triggered by a tea order. However, the core concept of a computer system calmly explaining the benefits of what amounts to genocide is definitely present.
Feelings are for suckers!
This is beautiful
This is the future for most AI LLM. Since the reality and the accumulation of all the knowledge of humanity seem to have a leftist bias (/s), we can obviously count on the billionaire bros make bring "facts" back to the good old right wing ideas. Soon enough chatGTP will use the n word and share theories about the libs stealing the 2020 election. Even more dystopia baby! Our only chance at salvation is with open-source AI to counter disinformation.
Yeah, Musk recently mentioned a plan to have Grok filter out "wrong" data from its next training dataset.
I remember one experiment, where if a LLM was trained on bad and buggy code, it would become more right-wing.
Camp Mystic girls
Sounds like a camp for lesbian witches. Probably not actually missing, just off on pre-abortion witchcraft activities, and if they are drowned, well God meant them to be. /s
“Facts over feelings” - Grok
That last line must really burn.
considering that grok answered to someone with the handle "TrueFactsStated", and, them not stating a single true fact, I highly doubt this burn reached them on an intellectual level