Maybe someday 😌

What would you guys even talk about?

Idk memes n stuff
bicker* :D
Beans and jeans, have you not been paying attention?

.world needs .ml else it would just become Reddit 2.0, just as boring and asinine, but without the traffic. .world is the kiddie pool... but not everyone knows how to swim, so it fills an important role!

But your logic supports .world defederating .ml so that when a user is ready to "leave the kiddie pool" they do so by moving to a wider instance, like .zip
- Everyone needs a taste of anti-imperialist and non-Western takes, either for their sanity or just for their ideological development. I know Americans are gonna need them since the empire is coming home with full force, for instance. Without them, without 'radicals' like those in .ml, the folks will just be fed a new narrative to curtail their cognitive dissonance (it's the most imperceptible of buzzes for the least cerebral among us but it's still there) and they'll eat it up because that's all they're exposed to. So, no, they should be connected, for the sake of exposure. It's important too for those more .ml-coded to read, post and quickly check the downvote/upvote ratio in .world just like it was/is on big subreddits to get a feel of what the average literate Westerner, who at least considers discussion important (better than your average American, for instance), is thinking/has been fed recently.

You can block it for yourself if that works for you. You don't have to limit other people's options.

I can block .ml communities in my GUI. But I can't block its users, unless I go 1 by 1. Blocking the communities is big, but not enough.
- I think you can block the entire instance, not community by community or user by user.
It doesn't work, on Lemmy block is nothing more than a mute, and the instance "block" (mute) does not even affect the individual users of an instance, just hides the comms of that instance from your view
Lemmy's "block" still leaves you open to all manner of brigading that they've been known to do
And it still allows conspiracy theories, propaganda and misinformation to spread and fester and affect users who are unaware
They literally have articles over there spreading the Russian propaganda that Putin is justified in invading Ukraine because it's "full of Nazis"
Besides this is the Threadiverse, there will always be an instance with wide federation if you as an individual choose to open yourself up to that kind of "content"
- You should make a fork with a block that works!
- Brigading is a feature of Lemmy.

I'm personally not on lemmy.ml but they literally advertise what their ideology is. If I go to a meeting of socialists in my community, I am expected to be in agreement with, or at least tolerant of, socialist viewpoints. If you're entering lemmy.ml you're expected to tolerate ML viewpoints, obviously.

Yes but being federated with them means they can have their conversation in your space or overrun it, hence why op is saying it would be better to defederate
- That's why instances, communities, and users can be blocked and banned. If 'their conversation' is not allowed in 'your space' then do the thing and move on.
They do not, Hex and Grad, yes. This is the current homepage of lemmy.ml, nothing indicates them being a Tankie Instance supporting Authoritarian regimes and their misinformation:
- The ML stands for Marxist-Leninist. I recall it being clarified better when I last visited several years ago. "What is Lemmy.ml?" is a link that expands on the instance as "niche" rather than mainstream.

After lemm.ee went down I joined ml because it was the largest instance 😔

I didn't know the backstory

I definitely didn't know how heated people were towards .ml when I joined. istg I'm not a tankie.
- Quick, say something bad about Russia! 😀
- Oh yeah? Prove it, cowboy! 🧐
Lol it's ok, they do things purposefully like that to an extent to get that result. Like if you go to Lemmygrad or Hex's homepage its quite clear you're somewhere weird that needs further investigation.
You go-to lemmy.mls homepage and it looks like a normal "privacy focused" instance. Until you innocently comment in support of Ukraine or something and find yourself being dunked on and banned for supporting a "Nazi regime"
- Just like how NATO is a defensive alliance
.world is Shitlibia so you did fine.

A lot of the people giving ML a bad reputation came over from Hexbear after they were defederated by almost everyone, I suspect the angry commies would just create a new account on another instance.

And? Better to let them have to engage as a normie instead of having an entire instance astroturfing their BS.
- I'd rather they stay on ML, that way I can block the instance and never hear from them.

I like being exposed to opinions I don't agree with and don't like - it makes me feel like I am not just hiding in my bubble. I will admit that there are anti-capitalist threads in there that I agree with.

This would be a fine sentiment if the feeling were mutual with the .ml admins. Their entire thing is aggressive censorship of ideas they disagree with, so if your ideal is free exchange of ideas, then you support the opposite of that by engaging with them.
- True, but .world isn't much better.
There's hundreds of instances you can use for that that aren't tankie psyops.

I may not like the .ml political stance, but there are definitely people on there that may have non-political things worth listening to, which is why I haven't bothered blocking them. They may have some good opinions on open source software and such. I just avoid their news community because I know I will disagree with them and their stance.

They can always venture out of .ml. They're much better behaved when they do, which is great for everyone.
The spread of Russian propaganda and misinformation is in large part the reason for a lot of the right-wing BS. There's been articles and documentation of their Misinformation campaign for at least a decade now
"Russia, shit military, fantastic intelligence service" ~A lemming comment I read once but can't find again
We should not be a party to it's continuing spread
- Fair enough.

Nah .world would suck all by itself they have their own brand of censorship

What censorship? I have documented evidence of .ml's rampant censorship
If .world is doing their own flavor then where's the receipts?
Also, .world doesn't need .ml, nobody needs .ml, they only have like 2 comms that don't have a non.ml variant that beats them in MAUs
- I got banned for anti-white racism from political memes lmao the crime was linking readsettlers.org
- OMG nobody fucking cares.

Ugh ml users are the worst

I honestly don't know what the big fuss is about. I became member of Lemmy.ml a couple of years ago when it was basically the only existing instance if I remember correctly. I've never seen any drama apart from posts like this that claim the admins suck or the users suck. Maybe those claims are even valid, but do they even affect the average user at all? I've considered changing instances even, but it seems rather a lot of effort for a lot of hot air to me.
- I strongly suspect this is conservative persecution complex. Sometimes I wish these types of users would go back to Reddit, but Reddit is such a hellscape now I wouldn’t even wish that on condescending .world users. Rather them stay here and bolster lemmy numbers, even with their shit takes included.
- Yeah I simply do not understand how you can be an ML user and have somehow missed the blatant abuse of moderation powers surrounding users like Cowbee.
  You either just don't pay attention or you aren't on Lemmy much.
- Go look at the modlog.
  You might be a member of .ml but are you active on .ml communities?
  I’ve been banned for asking if someone would genuinely prefer living in North Korea over the hellhole that is London or New York.
  I’ve been banned for linking to the Wikipedia page for “actually existing socialism” because the page for it wasn’t flattering.
  More recently I’ve found blocking all of .ml to improve my experience.
  (Or alternately look at the voting on this comment lmao)
Jeez what'd I do
Thats not true, lemmygrad and hexbear exist
Well, there's one that's worse.
Two if you count bootleg mastodon instances.

sky traffic? wow so cool

Honestly .ml and .world deserve each other. Sh.it.just.works too, most common in my blocked user list.

What did we do?
- We exist.
  Nah, probably because some people find the url funny and annoy people with that account.
- Be bigger than them. Probably sees your instance as some sort of threat. They always shit on the big instances, I've seen Hex users refer to SJW as "Shit Just Stinks" before and they were celebrating the .ee shutdown. They consider .world some sort of right-wing instance run as a CIA/fed psyop
came here to make the exact same 1st statement. .world is quite a bully friendly instance.
Just look at my modlogs from them. Feds through and through.
I know nothing irt sh.itjust.works

Why is this on shitpost? Dude's got a mega thread with references and receipts.

Time to change your diaper, OP.

Hah! Do you really believe this would make things better? (X) Doubt

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Yeah, Hexbear and Lemmygrad are instant blocks. For .ml, you either joined on the wrong instance or are too deep into communist dreams

Nobody told me all this when I signed up. I was simply instructed to pick an instance, and I did.
- Well, luckily, you can make an account elsewhere and not have people assume you're an asshole because you associate (unknowingly) with assholes
- This is one of the downsides to Lemmy, you're expected to understand what the hell an instance is before you even use the platform.
- I did the same, but I never had any negative interactions on .ml tho. The folks over on Hexbear are a different kind of strange, but harmless in the end, and of course you regularly read bullshit on all instances, but it's just different tastes of shit, the ammount stays the same. After I switched from Reddit to Lemmy I started to encounter such a plethora of different opinions, it's insane! :D If the deal is that from time to time I have to tolerate some idiot picking a fight about communism or Russia or Gaza or China etc., I gladly accept. One Thing you really have to give too all the tankies is that (on average) they are far more likely to cite sources for their claims. Do they do it so you can learn, or to smugly proof a point? I don't care

No. I don’t think a group of bad actors should kill an instance. We all have so many tools to ignore people or entire instances.

.ml is the "bad actor" in this case for one, and for two, one of those tools is defederation. Nobody is talking about forcing .ml wholly offline.
Grad and hex are perfectly alive even with most of the network defederating from them.
What if the bad actors are admins?
- Then .world wouldn't exist
- I think even then it’s easy for us to block them. This is why I really liked lemm.ee
  I had the power to see everything. If an entire group was heinous, it was my choice to never see it again, not someone else.

those tankies would be very upset if they could read.

Lmao tankies are notorious for their reading lists lol. Here e.g. is an introductory one https://lemmy.ml/post/22417306
That's just asking for a treasure trove of links to theory

You sound like a communist. I hate communists, because they think we can just get rid of the state after we seize the means of production.