Republicans and Democrats in Secret Talks to Create a Third Party

American politicians form third right-wing party.

American politicians form third reich ~~right-wing party.~~

The USA is a one party state, except with typical American extravagance, they have ~~two~~ three of them

uniparty its more or less a coalition of the oldguard and the old dnc, and maybe maga on some issues.

Yep. There's only one party in USA: the fascist party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

I'm sure kamalacaust will come out of the woodwork to stop this tho... \s

not left. not right. rigehft.

“The Republican Party, as many of us know it, no longer exists,” said one source, who asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”

Translation: "Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I'm personally affected by my own stupidity I want to be friends with Democrats!"

This is a good thing. Don't mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.
Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.
- I'd have an easier time agreeing with you if any one of them had shown even a bit of spine against this fascism.
- and reclaim the middle ground.”
  Bullshit it's good, it's a farce to make the "middle" somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.
  None of them are going "Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders."
  They've learned fuck-all.
- Workers need to, not the politicians that made this happen.
- Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.
- I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It'll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.
  The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).
  I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.
- third parties just can't win under the current system. we'd need ranked choice voting.
  the way forward is through the primaries. that's how we got Zohran.
- Seriously, more party options is a good thing even if some of them suuuck.
- They still deserve mockery for taking 9 years to realize it!
- Their "ideals" allowed for this fascist regime to start
- You don't understand what they are saying. You don't understand what I'm saying.
  You are the problem. Not some Republican politician whose lie you don't understand.
And somehow, just somehow, his bills get passed.
- They are concerned, but not concerned enough to risk losing reelection by going on record as being concerned.
They literally have zero values…
They said the same thing after Nixon... and after Reagan... and now after Trump. Moderates will eat it up and we will end up worse on the next cycle of debauchery.

Even if some unholy combo of the right and the slightly less right us what we wanted, this is literally just plotting for the spoiler effect

It looks like they're trying to capture "the center" - which side will be spoiled more?

But mom says we already have conservative party at home

We have two conservative parties at home!

A real simple fix would be ranked choice voting.

fix
Which is why it won't happen.
- After Mamdani, they're scared as fuck of ranked choice elections.
- I live in uber-blue Oregon and the Dem politicians here rallied against it and got it defeated on the 2024 ballot.
it's already been explicitly outlawed in several places.
- Then we'll have to support it on a federal level too.
A voting system by itself will not unseat the two party system. You been proportional representation if you want lots of parties. I suggest Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting). Run a local referendums and work your way up.
Not entirely, but we should definitely have it
These cats don’t actually want to fix anything.

The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs and nothing will change. Anything to keep progressives from taking power.

The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs
Already been happening for a long time.
nothing will change.
Already living under increasing fascism.
That would turn the Democrats into a progressive party, which would have nation wide positions, proper party infrastructure in every state and some funding systems. Given how few vote for third parties, that would be a huge win for progressives.

"Vote blue no matter who, but also we'll leave the party completely at the slightest hint you want to reduce income inequality and fix the broken social safety net."

Edit: Actually, good, fuck em. Why should the left need to start its own party. We're the Democrats now. Any Democratic official who leaves the party for this should be abandoned forever.

Fuck that. Dem leadership has abandoned the people. The Democratic and Republicans are finished
- Probably true, but it's easier to move into an empty house than build a new one.

Ah, the Obstructionist Party.

That's not what GOP stands for?
- It's the O in the abbreviation sandwiched between Gaslight and Project.
At this point, any bumps in the road to unfettered misogynist, bigoted, surveillance christofacist power would be helpful while the left gets a real party together.
- Stop thinking that’s going to happen.
  It’s never going to happen.

Yeah, nah, we're good dawgs. The democrat-republican third party would just be what the Dems are now - a right-of-center status quo capitulation party. Fuck every single one of you and your mothers. Have a good day.

Realistically, the end goal is to replace the democratic party with the new one and abandon the growing progressive wing to obscurity.
- This might be one of those Democrat big brain moves like supporting Trump's 2016 primary. Progressive ideas are more popular than they realize.

This seems like a trap that will enable the MAGAs to win more elections without a majority of votes.....

“We need to get back to our centrist roots. This authoritarianism is hurting profits” said the capitalists en masse

The article doesn't name names and only mentions "centerists." Those can all fuck off and make their own party. It will split the republican votes the most.

Republicans is more cultish then democrats. Democrats politician would be more open to a third party
- It'll be hard for Democrats to decide between the existing center-right capitalist status quo party and the new center-right capitalist status quo party. Meanwhile most Republicans just know they love fascism.

Should’ve pushed for ranked choice voting when they had the chance.

Wish they were in discussion to overhaul our fptp voting system. Any third party is doomed to fail, by design, until first past the post is in the rear view mirror.

Good luck to find enough politicians deciding to vote yes for a change to presidential elections electoral system
- Totally agree

Oh, great. That's what we want. A third party that's also right-of-center. Yay.

Call it “MAGA? Nope!”

Center right and far right party join together, to create the right party

more likely center right will form a coalition with the old guard gop , and maga will still have thier trump party.

All these left of fascist, but still love some good old fashioned racism and misogyny shitheads, will hopefully leave some room for more progressives on the left, and the Right will continue in just more dysfunction.

I guess Trump is going to get that 3rd term after all

He won't live that long. If nature doesn't kill him, his party will.
- Will his successor be better. Vance look more threatening to me
- Only the good die young
  Assholes live forever

I don't think that it's going to work. I assume that the people who most aren't happy are moderate Republicans who can't stand Trump and company:

Disgruntled Republicans sick of being bullied by Donald Trump and Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left are secretly having conversations about forming a third party in American politics, The Swamp can exclusively reveal.

But they aren't gonna be enough votes alone. The people they'd best get along with are probably moderate Democrats, but the Democrats just ran Harris, who is also pretty moderate, so I doubt that moderate Democrats are especially upset at the moment. I think that they'd have a tough time attracting a bunch of moderate Democrats.

If you had just had an election between, I don't know, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, then maybe you could try to run off with the Democratic center.

The second problem is that the US electoral system always stabilizes around two big-tent parties. It can be disrupted temporarily, but you're gonna eventually get two parties. If one or both of the Big Two parties splinter, they will just reform into a new two parties in a few years. So even if you get people who are unhappy with the status quo, once things stop shifting around, you're gonna have two big-tent parties again.

It's not clear to me that introducing a new party solves problems here. Like, you want a different coalition, you can do that within the parties. You're gonna have to make concessions and sell people on it, but long run, you'd have to do that with a new party too.

EDIT: I guess technically they could get a few Greens, but the American Greens are more of a left-wing protest party than specifically being anti-carbon or whatever, the way the German Greens might be. That's probably not gonna have much overlap with moderate Republicans. And there's the Libertarian Party, which might like more relaxed borders and lower barriers to trade, but LPers probably aren't going to generally be really enthusiastic about a muscular foreign policy, which I bet the unhappy people want.

EDIT2: My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.

Harris, who is also pretty moderate
Pretty moderate by imperial standards. Absolute fascist by objective measurement.
I doubt that moderate Democrats are especially upset at the moment.
Ofc most dems are not upset. They're completely fine with 99% of Trump's fascism. That's why we're here.
The second problem is that the US electoral system always stabilizes around two big-tent parties.
AKA it's an excellent system for violent control but a terrible joke of a "democracy".
It’s not clear to me that introducing a new party solves problems here.
They're not trying to solve problems that we care about. They're trying to maintain their control. That's the "problem" here.
My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.
Except the brand name is poisoned for their base. Forming a new party fixes that. The real problem is that they won't attract any big names from either side.
All the big name politicians on the right are the Trumpy nutjobs, and the big name politicians on the left are either too left-wing or they're entrenched leadership.

These are exactly the people we do not want doing this shit.

Alternative link: https://archive.md/fHWe3

Can you imagine if we end up with trumpublicans, democrats, muskrats, and some 4th part made by defecting democrats and republicans?

That might actually work out.

The Totalitarian Party, we know.