Being an Anarchist is being the corpse on the Road that gets run over by both
Being an Anarchist is being the corpse on the Road that gets run over by both
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This instance has made me realize that I am an anarchist. What a strange world… No regrets, thank you guys.
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Hell yeah welcome to the struggle.
Just remember you don’t need to agree with every mainstream anarchist take to call yourself an anarchist. That’s the best part and one of many things that set this movement a cut above other leftist movements.
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We're glad to have you here 🫡
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We are happy to have you! 🥰 There is an anarchist book i highly recommend. You can read all of it or just pick sections you find interesting.
People ask "how can anarchism work? Don't we need a boss?" Or "How would things be managed?". And this book explains it very well :)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
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It's even available in audiobook form by audible anarchism
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I just don't think we're meant to live in large numbers tbh.
You take the average opinion of 200 million people, apply it to everyone, and nobody will be happy with it.
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Might be better if we gave people proper education and didnt encourage crab-bucketing so hard.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, what do Anarchists do irl that is making a difference? From what I see, most of the posting is leftist views, but what seperates them from other left leaning groups aside from viewpoints?
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Prefiguration.
The idea of resisting domination by living outside it. Creating your own grassroots community structures without state or corporate control.
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A focus on organizing in horizontal power structures.
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A focus on direct action over electoralism?
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I might be wrong but I feel that anarchy is on slightly different axis (like x vs y) than simple left/right divide, but definitively more to the left than right. Different means, similar goals?
I yield to more experienced anarchists here for explanation, I’m just learning to be one!
However, I remember one trip with my dad when I was a teen. We were talking, I can’t remember about what exactly, him exclaiming "You must be some kind of anarchist!" to summarize my own worldview stuck with me to this day.
When I was applying to this instance, this has somehow resonated with me
https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-anarchist-code-of-conduct/
Am I an anarchist or just a sane reasonable person? I have some reading to do… but I have the gut feeling.
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Personally, I help run a makerspace. In fact, I had been doing that for years before calling myself an anarchist; seeing how things work in a volunteer community makerspace is what made me think that maybe, just maybe, we actually can run society in an anarchist way. Yeah, things are a little messy there sometimes, but in the end, I think we do get the stuff done that needs to get done. People are a little less dependent on a capitalist system because of it, and learn a little more to rely on their local community.
Politically, I tend to work alongside a lot of socialists. Anything that takes us towards improving unions and mutual aid is good for me. Partially, this is also because anarchist groups are notoriously inconsequential. It's a lot of "I'll get this done, right after I have this joint". Socialists are more like "lets get this done, then have an edible". One of these is more productive than the other.
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Same here I beliving in Anarchy more as a fight to concentration of power which concecuences are in full display in any news outlet. I'm also starting to feel kinda inclined to solarpunk.
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I'd be an anarchist, but I think anarchism would only work if the world is far more connected than we are today. Anarchist communities developed organically because their environments are close to each other, facilitating cultural exchange and then evolving into a converging culture where people in the communities eventually "think alike". It is like with Fremens in Dune. The entire ethnic group inhabit the entire planet, but their lines of communications are pretty reliable and fast, so in that sense the world of Fremen is "small", allowing for an organic development of an anarchist culture by themselves.
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Don't even have to be an anarchist, just have to have at least partial hearing and/or vision.
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Tankies: handing out "genocide denial" bans for calling Ukraine a genocide.
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You can simultaneously condemn the invasion of Ukraine and understand that false claims of genocide are harmful against people suffering genocide
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Russia has been credibly accused off displacing local populations, seizing homes, mass torture and sexual violence against civilians and abduction of children in occupied territories. There are numerous examples of Russian politicians stating openly that they seek to exterminate Ukrainian identity.
The only argument that Russia is not engaging in large scale genocide is that Ukraine has prevented them from doing so by force.
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Your comment being a good example of tankies denying Ukrainian genocide.
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As expected, tankies came out in drove to whitewash Uyghur genocide 😂
There are far too many complaints and eyewitness to hide the grievances from the Uyghurs and CCP's mistreatment of them.
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The imperial core didn’t forget so much as it gave up trying to manufacture consent after the UN rejected its allegations.
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I'm once again asking liberals to join xiaohongshu and see the uighur culture being celebrated openly. Crossnational meetups with turkish people comparing turkish to ughric, large streetfestivals and so so many videos sharing the language, alphabet, cuisine, music, stories, attire all on a chinese app for chinese people. If nothing else learn about the culture that is supposedly being genocided from the uyghurs themselves.
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Admittedly I don't use 小红书, so I don't know for sure, but it is the commercialised and commodified kind of culture?
Because I remember back when I was in China and visited the Tarim Basin it was quite harrowing. Hami and to a lesser extent Kashgar felt pretty hostile to Uighurs.
I, as a non-Han person, had to go in the non-Han line at the railway station. But unlike the non-white foreigners in the line, I was given a seat in the shade out of the 40+°C heat, and could use the water machine while I waited, unlike the locals.
I also saw all the Uighur girls at school with their shaved heads. People were scared, and the word for school, 学校, was treated with horror.
Maybe just an apatheid society, but the fact that sites of religious, cultural, and historical significance have been knocked down or turned into a tourist trap (Grand Mosque in Umruqi, the Mosque in Central Kashgar whose name I forgot), does seem the culture is being worn down.
Also saw the police beating people in Kashgar market to make sure they closed their shops at 7pm Beijing time, not 7pm Xinjiang time... Because all of China must be one time zone.
You'll also see other ethnicities' costumes, and parades on social media. But they're not allowed to talk their languages at school and their festivals don't get to exist outside of being for tourists, and they don't get the leeway with laws than Han people do.
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Ngl this mene unnecesarily divides people more than anything.
No socialists and "tankies" I know IRL don't deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is "Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist but US media exaggerates it for clickbait articles too."
Similar with Israel. Democrats mostly say "I hate the Iran's government for their legal system but still doesn't justify civilians dying." Nobody is congratulating Israel on "standing up for gay rights" or some shit.
Also ask the other group how they feel about global warming or education system sometime.
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No socialists and "tankies" I know IRL don't deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is "Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist
MLs in lemmy absolutely deny anything bad is happening to Uyghurs.
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Chinese communists certainly deny the Uyghur genocide.
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This isn't about IRL. This is about the disinformation that bad actors spread in online communities.
You also have a selection bias. You have friends with similar political views because you distance yourself from people you disagree with, either physically or just through avoiding "sensitive" topics. I've personally disconnected from some friends because they didn't like it when I brought up Biden's historic support of Israel. I still voted for him and Harris over Trump, but that wasn't good enough for them.
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No socialists and “tankies” I know IRL don’t deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is “Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist but US media exaggerates it for clickbait articles too.”
Socialists in real life? Probably not. Tankies? Yes. They all do.
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we need to get more people off reddit and twitter and onto lemmy
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True, but I don't see how that's relevant to the post.
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we are all stuck between a rock and hard place of reddit and twitter.
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There is significant politicization of genocide declarations. They are all declared by fascist US empire and its slave controlled democracy colonies. There is very obvious extensive video evidence of extermination policies for Palestinians.
China responded to 2014 terrorist attacks with education and job creation programs. Xinxiang has had decent prosperity and population growth compared to other Chinese provinces despite a BDS policy from US controlled empire. The "technical genocide" accusation is based on a handful of Uyghur women with 4+ children who somehow all got to the UK, and claimed to now be sterile. Uyghurs had historically been exempt from Chinese one child policy.
Political demonism happens independently of facts. There are historical tensions in Xinxiang between Uyghur/muslim majority and relatively more prosperous Han minority, but Chinese policies are far more egalitarian than Alabama policies with much higher inequality. China has made the most humanist response to terrorism in history of civilization, even if it is not above criticism.
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I would love a source on the Uyghurs that isn't Adrain Zenz. He is the* Fash behind the "Victims of Communism Memorial Fund".
All sources eventually point back to him in our Western Media, and its fucking disgusting.
(Edit: he is one of the Fash behind actual Nazi Propaganda Smuggling)
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Interestingly Xinjiang's population growth since 2015 has been due to migration from the rest of China rather than birth rates, and the Uighur birth rate has fallen over this time period while the slackening of birth control legislation has led to slight increases (as compared to one child policy era) for the rest of non-Tibetan PRC.
The destruction of traditional life-styles and enforced
capitalistSocialist (with Chinese Characteriatics) modernity with SOEs taking control of traditionally common or village wide croplands and flocks, in the 80s led to a lot of the economic problems in the first place. It's similar to enclosure in Europe, where now to not want to labour away in a factory for a wage and make your boss richer is extremism and also mad.That is to say, I do not think the PRC is actively killing large amounts of Uighurs. But there is a policy of cultural erasure, commodifiction of culture and heritage, and very tight, apartheid style control of the population.
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The definition of genocide originally included cultural erasure, but it was vetoed by the U.S and some other countries because they would be guilty of genocide themselves.
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People who think they're well informed because they scroll through lots of memes are deciding elections now, and look where we are.
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Ah tankies
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My Tribe is made up of people who refuse to have a Tribe.
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Bruh, just bruh....
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this is true and you should say it. I'm sorry about the people who will be assholes about it.
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Even the UN gave up on pretending the Uighur genocide is real, you're pushing outdate propaganda
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The UN, where the CCP has veto powers?
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China doesn’t have veto power over the UN Human Rights Council, which voted to reject debating this any further, over 2½ years ago: https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/asia/uyghurs-muslim-countries-china-intl
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/08/08/2003762216
So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we're definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they're either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
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@fundmecfs this isn't just a rhetorical question, I'd genuinely love to hear you explain this. Make it make sense for me!
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I’ve always wondered what my cousin meant by “twice removed” but now I know
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What are the people who don't see every issue as a binary black hat or white hat thing that fits in a meme?
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are American tankies not also funding Israel? if you pay taxes, you're complicit, or at least that's what it seems the meme is saying about liberals.
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I think they meant the advocation for it, though the wording is a bit off.
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Every day you wake up in the morning you can open up your phone and check new videos of murdered and mutilated children in Palestine at the hands of Israel.
You can go on a google search to find images of the 1989 Tiananmen protest and the violence that took place, very gore stuff. We're talking 1989, most cameras were analog, bulky and visible, and required professional developing afterwards. As censored as that's been in China, you can still find plenty of photo evidence of violence in and against the protests.
Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn't a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people. The claims start on 2019-2020, and in FIVE YEARS, it hasn't been possible to capture photographic evidence of the harrowing genocide?
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I googled it and found a literal trove of evidence.
Here's a starting point since it's eluded you for so long.
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Not a shred of photographic evidence
That is misleading. Why did authorities try to stop BBC from filming?
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such an embarrassing propaganda nothing burger. BBC propaganda crew being stopped from filming proves any demonic lie they made? Where is armed "supervisors", where is barbed wire surrounding factories? "victims of communism" organization is a nazi front. BBC a CIA propaganda arm. OMG a job recruitment ad mentioned the "glory of work" in its marketing appeal. Must be mind control forced labour.
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Because BBC is a British state media company, and it has motives to create anti-china propaganda. The EU famously forbade access to Russian media after the invasion of Ukraine, do you think this is to prevent the outside world from seeing the horrors of the EU? Is there Chinese state media presence in US congress press releases?
Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone? How did they not manage in 1989 with a reduced number of analog cameras which would need professional development, but they can manage in the smartphone era where a Chinese citizen can upload a picture on the internet 10 seconds after taking it?
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my understanding is that it's at the point of erasure without outright murder at this time. being sent to concentration camps, forced labor, denied right to their culture, etc. the stuff that tends to come before mass killings, and the ultimate purpose of mass killings, is erasure of a group identity.
maybe it's not a genocide like in Bosnia but it's certainly problematic. the actions seem to be not far off from the ways indigenous americans have been erased, which is another place where the word "genocide" has been debated
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The original definition of genocide was meant to include cultural erasure, but that was vetoed by the USA and other countries since they would be guilty of genocide themselves.
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There's no evidence whatsoever of forced labor, and calling the reeducation camps "concentration camps" is very misleading and not really based on actual evidence, just on misinterpreted Adrian Zenz anti-chinese propaganda.
In China, it's normal for teens 13 to 18 years old to be interned into boarding schools in which they study about 12h a day. In western Europe that would be considered child abuse, in China many see it as a rather normal thing.
This isn't to say there's probably been a degree of authority abuse and police state for an interval of time in Xinjiang as a consequence of counter-terrorism policy. But Uyghur culture and language are celebrated, people enjoy better living conditions than 10 years ago, and you can see the vibrant life and culture in Kashgar if you go watch any content from any content creator who's been in the area lately.
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Being anarchist is just stupid period
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Yeah. Dad always said I'd rather be right than happy, and that would doom me.
He wasn't wrong. I would be so much happier if i lied to myself, or had more tolerance for cognitive dissonance. But here i am.
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Not really. Libertarians are just socially embarrassed corporate statists.
Also, you say that as if not wanting money is a bad thing.
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Me posting this meme with the full knowledge that it might make it to “All” and generate a shitshow of a comment section
Turn off your notifications mate. And don't return to the scene of the crime
But where's the fun in that?!
This community is just popular enough to make it to /all, but not popular enough to drown out all the liberals/tankies that come here.
I phrased this horribly sorry
Are you though?
You're my hero
posting anti-tankie and anti-electoralism stuff in an Anarchism comm is one of the easiest way to generate infinite salt.
It did. Be proud
Beautiful.
Congratulations?