are he the baddies

Sorry to be that guy

Duncan is the heroe of Dune

Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the world. And keep the world for His people.
Moneo!!! I need another Duncan who knows when not to go behind the royal cart!!!

If you think Paul is bad just wait until you meet his kids

The whole Atreides family are an unruly bunch: Paul's son Leo II is called the tyrant, Paul is overthrown by his sister Alia.
- His preborn conscious sister who would try to orchestrate the killing of family members to ensure her rule? Yeah, she's also a real peach
They did save humanity though. Death of everyone or death of a large portion. Everyone loses.
- Someone is an imperial sympathizer. You just believe his golden path story? Sounds like spice hallucinations to me

He's both and neither.

The story is about the dangers of charismatic leaders.

The next one in the heritage might not be too charismatic

All of the aristocracy sucks, the people are fucked no matter who's in power. Yes, I'm still talking about Dune, why?

The Landsraad, very powerful group, folks, very elite. All the Great Houses, the best of the best, believe me. Tremendous influence, incredible deals, they knew how to keep the Emperor in check, checks and balances, very important. Some people say it's like the Senate, but smarter. More glamorous. Way more effective. These were major players, House Atreides, House Corrino, all of them, very classy. They knew strategy, they knew loyalty, and they didn’t let one man have all the power. Quite frankly, we could learn a lot from the Landsraad. Incredible negotiators. Winners. Total winners!
- If only he was that articulate...

Didn't Herbert specifically write Heretic because people mistook Paul as the hero?

In my head, Paul was a Messianic, Bhuddist, and Devilish character. The KH was bred to return humanity to its full potential of self adaptation and exploration rather than be restricted by the powers of prescience or reliant on machines thinking for them. Innovation had stagnated following the B Jihad and the over use of spice had lead to human evolution being controlled by the imperium.

I forgot where I was going with this.