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3d ago

The youtube algorithm is so bad, I say to my screen "why the fuck would I care about this!?" like 10 times a day.

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YouTube has the worst commenting system as well. Oh a highlighted reply in a 500 comment thread I never commented on? Great just what I didn't need YouTube!

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I'm so glad I never have to deal with youtube's idiotic algorithm

You’re spending too much time on YouTube if you have the opportunity to yell at it 10 times in one day.
- Yeah you are right I just move away from YouTube altogether again.

The algorithm is a combination of things they think you want to watch and things they want you to watch. The latter are things that tend to keep people watching, increasing ad revenue for youtube.
- *The former
  
  Nope, the latter was correct.

Tell you a problem I've had with it recently: search.
Used to be, you'd search Youtube for something like 'how to make a zero clearance throat plate for table saw" and you'd get pages of useful results, then some not so great results, then things that make you say "no not that kind of throat." and by then it's just giving you results with at least one of the search terms in it.
Now, you'll get maybe ten relevant results, then about ten results that have absolutely nothing to do with your search, just...stuff it would clutter your home page with. Like you're not trying to find information. You can feel that "increase watch time at all costs" shit.
- When you search for something that doesn't give tons of results with decent or above views, they keep injecting sections of 3 "other videos you might like". Which makes it really annoying to find something less popular.
- One trick I usually use to get at least another ten or so relevant results is to explicitly click the "videos" Tag below the search. This way (at least on mobile) I actually have a chance of finding the video I was hoping to find...

Top #1 sign(s) that you're spending too much time on YouTube.
- Watching YouTube in the shower for one
  
  Guilty. I like to call YouTube my morphine drip. It's quite literally an addiction for me on the same level as drugs have been for me, but more addictive.
  
  Convention be damned, you'll never take my shower phone
  
  Doesn't everyone do that?
- Or too little. As someone else suggested the algorithm would understand me better if I watched more.

I watch so much niche stuff that it’s hard for YouTube to sneak their suggestions in.
someone nerding out about history
someone nerding out about science
someone nerding out about Star Trek
✅ EPIC FAIL COMPILATION ✅

Never had this problem with YouTube’s algorithm. If anything, it offers 20 more videos from the same channel after I watch just one.
Are you using the options where you tell it you don’t like this video/don’t recommend this channel/thumbs down the video? There are like three different ways to tell YouTube you’re not interested.
- That doesn’t exist anymore in the client I use.
  
  Well while I respect what is probably a privacy or ad block angle, it's a bit unfair to complain about something not working well for you when you're not using it the official way, and likely actively making it worse at profiling you.

Do what I do fuck the YouTube algorithms and just only use the subscription part. I use the "recommended" part once every few months if that. Got my subscriptions on my smart tube and that's all I need.

You need to clean your watch history. Remove any video you dont want affecting the recommendations and if you accidentally watch some video like that then you need to remove it from history. If you dont have history on then I have no clue how it recommends stuff though. I dont think it bases it on every single thing on the history or maybe it weights recent videos more heavily.
I recently had it recommend way too much certain kinds of videos after i watched a bunch of them and it reverted to what it recommended earlier when i removed most of the ones i watched earlier.
- I don't have history on, I keep my "subscriptions" list curated to perfection so every morning I find interesting videos to watch/listen while I make coffee
  
  that is also good way to do it, i used to do that too until i noticed the recommendations were actually worth my time. I dont think there is too much malicious meddling with them either since I have had videos recommended i dont think any corporate executive would even want me to see but still i try to be wary.

Interesting, I've always found it to work incredibly well for me, to the point I generally only watch the stuff it recommends. Like, out of the 6 videos it shows me, maybe 1 every now and then is something I don't care about. But like, if there's 4-5 ones I'm interested in out of 6, I think that's pretty good, and the 2 wild cards are how I tend to find new stuff to be interested in.

It's frustrating, but to make it somewhat work you have to keep using the "Not interested" and "Don't recommend channel" options, and go into watch history and remove ones that you click on by mistake or find out you don't like while watching.

It seems to know my tastes so well, most recommendations are either things I already watch, or things so similar that even the people in them look and sound almost identical to the things I watch. Like I have found at least 2 other chemistry channels that I thought were NileRed until I actually looked at the channel names. And no, one of them is not NileBlue, his other channel.
- Please tell me one of the suggestions was Explosions and Fire.
  https://youtube.com/@explosionsandfire
  
  And don't forget his second channel, https://youtube.com/@ExtractionsAndIre

Why the fuck would you think this is a showerthought?
- Cry more, bitch.
  
  Answer the damn question coward.
- Because Lemmy only has political moderation.
  
  It sounds like you think Lemmy is unusual in that sense. In reality, absolutely any moderation is political. Politics deals with the distribution of political goods, goods such as attention, relevance, access to distribution channels, discourses, approval… I know I probably sound reductive, but I'm simply being systematic and consistent in using words' meanings.
  A like button distributes a political good. A chronological algorithm for a social media site distributes a political good. Saying the OP belongs to this community distributes a political good. So does saying that it doesn't.

Switch to peertube mate

Tell me about it... Started clicking "Do not recommend this channel" solely based on the thumbnail - if there is trump, musk or anything political, I clicked the button. Recently I started noticing pro Chinese "propaganda" which is something I don't want to watch either.
My solution: sticking mainly to subscribed channels and if I don't see anything I want to watch I'll try the YouTube feed algorithm.
I need YouTube word filter or figure out how to do the same I did for Lemmy and reddit in ublock custom filters. Example I found for reddit which works for me: reddit.com##article[aria-label]:has-text(/tesla|trump|vance|biden|republic|democrat|conservative|senate|congress|candidate|politic|healthcare|capitalism|billionaire|inflation|corporation|greed|tariff/i)
I'd love the same thing for YouTube, but I don't know how to configure it.

Use Grayjay. No ads, no algorithm, all video platforms in one feed.
- Grayjay is not open-source, sadly; FreeTube and NewPipe are, though they are YT-based.
  
  I tried FreeTube and NewPipe, but got tired of YouTube constantly changing things to make them not work. I'm too old to deal with constant tinkering, and have no interest in investing into a Pie Hole.
  
  The source is available, right? You just can't fork it to include ads? Or you can't fork it at all?
- No ATV version....

What algorythm? I turned off watch history so all I see is turn on history notifications.
my subscriptions work so I have more than I have time to watch available.

Dang that's a lot of youtube you're watching there

Mines pretty spot on weirdly enough.

I still find it funny it thinks my 3 year old is interested in solar panels.
The more concerning one was a divorce lawyer for fathers. That shit wasn't even on my account or my computer, it just assumed daytime watching of kids stuff means a guys going through a divorce, lol.

I've been thinking – somebody should make a 3rd party YT front page with its own algorithm. Google would probably be livid but we do already have alternarive front ends.

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