Trump may soon offer a motherhood medal, an idea popularized in Nazi Germany
Trump may soon offer a motherhood medal, an idea popularized in Nazi Germany
WTF
Edit: I wasn't sure what I was appalled by at first but now I realize it's that this fucking medal just encourages women to be treated no better than a prized heifer.
My great grandma got that one. It allowed her to be a bitch towards the Nazis, as they had to honor her.
The truth is that Trump is a poster child for why abortion should not only be legal, but encouraged.
Ah, here is step one. The "Mutter der Nation" medal for women having 5+ children.
Next stop: Lebensborn projects where women are forced to get impregnated by real american patriots (tm)
Blessed be the fruit.
Why do you think he wants to be "The Father of IVF." Musky's little breeding program.
Jesus fuck, if you want people to have kids, it is not that hard. Remove obstacles. On average, people want to have kids. It's an evolutionary drive. People override that drive when they do not feel secure enough to start a family. Just make that easier. That's it. Make sure people can afford to have kids, that they can provide them a comfortable and safe upbringing, that they can ready their kids to become adults, and that their kids' future seems likely to be bright. How?
Decrease inflation. Subsidize child care. Increase wages and benefits (raise the mimimum wage). Mandate maternity/paternity leave. Make coverage for kids on health, dental, and vision insurance less expensive, or provide medicare for all (or at least all children). Make sure young people can afford good homes off of minimum wage. Make sure good schools are available to everyone by improving public education and providing bussing. Make sure kids are safe in schools with gun control laws. Make sure college/trade schools are inexpensive and accessible. Stablize the economy. Promote good middle class jobs. Avoid war. Fight bigotry. Provide comprehensive sex education and family planning resources including abortion rights so that people can start families when they are ready and promote generational welfare rather than propogating generational poverty.
Notice how damn near all of these things that would increase the birth rate are antithetical to GOP policy though? You want the results, but not the means. You want to offer "medals" for motherhood like a boss offers a pizza party for a record profits last quarter. It's unserious, unhelpful, condescending, insulting, and still leaves new parents struggling to get by. Be better leaders with sensible policies. Maybe then you will get your wish.
The GOP wants to have their babies and eat them too
I would gold this comment if I could!
Trump is the sum of the reasons I won't procreate and can shove every single medal up his rectum to form Trump piñata. However, we can then string him up and take turns beating Trump-yata with a bat until we all get a medal, and the world will be on its way to healing.
That's what women of child bearing age want and need. A medal. Not jobs, food, housing, security, nor equality.
goes along nicely with the female celebrity "astronauts" from last week. "Putting the 'ass' in astronauts", They said. "There will be eyelash extensions floating around the capsule", and saying that they were very concerned about their hair in space. Thats is who the republicans need women to be. less concern about the stuff you mentioned, more referring to yourself as a piece of ass who will be required to make a whole lot of babies. Got it?
/s
Also those child-bearing age women do not want nor need maternity care, and are TOTALLY into receiving a huge hospital bill after giving birth.
All the best countries did that, and US will be greatest of them all, that is what he will make it. Great it will be made...
Can this medal be exchanged for food and shelter?
That would be communism!
Wait so we have too many immigrants but not enough babies?
What's going on?
Sounds about white.
Keep track, we have too many of some immigrants, but not enough of some other immigrants. We have a tariffs on some stuff, but other stuff you don't need to worry about. We support babies and infants sometimes, but not other times, but we ALWAYS hate China. That's 2025!
That's project 2025
ok so this is inconsistent
i read two fucking weeks ago that economists around the world are waking up to the idea that people should have fewer children because otherwise the rich and corporations might have to pay taxes to provide income to the people that the wages don't. if there's fewer people, they don't need to pay people subsidies so much. trump should talk to his economists.
edit: context: wages are predicted to drop so low over the next 20 years that people will not be able to feed themselves on wages alone. social unrest is painful and to avoid it, some sort of Universal Basic Income will be unavoidable. That would have to be paid for by taxes that the rich would have to pay, since literally nobody else has any money. You see where this is going: the rich don't like their wealth to be taxed.
It wouldn’t help unless said economists drew pictures and used simple words. Even then there’s no reason to believe he would understand.
it's worth a try, and better than doing nothing.
Your masters want you to breed.
Whether you can afford to have children or not.
Especially when you can't afford their education. Those are the best kind of voters.
Governments are always offering weird wacky incentives for women to have children, when the solution is usually patently obvious: you can increase fertility by making it easy and affordable to have children. Stipends for food, paid maternity/paternity leave, free childcare services, affordable housing, and a good economy with an abundance of high-paying jobs.
I mean... there's a reason the baby boom happened in the 50s! But no, that would be socialism!!
These fuckers will do anything to invent a flying machine except the proven model that works because they knoooow it gotta be possible with large square blocks of quarried marble tied to huskies. Just need more dogs. Or maybe more marble. mush! Ok add some more marble see if that works.
That's how you create a society of responsible adults capable of critical thinking. They want a society of mindless workers used to hardship and deprivation of their rights.
Ehm, on paper I agree, but you've witnessed the generation that came out of the post WW2 baby boom, right?
What were they called?
Germany has most of these and a low birth rate.
You still need 2 working parents, few people want to balance a career and children. We're not designed for it. And their social help, while good for global standards, amounts to a fraction of the cost of having kids. In prehistory a whole village raised children and people barely worked. Social policies help but we need a global structural change.
Honestly, we need to reform our economic system and not continually rely on fertility to solve all of our problems.
I'll add that even those incentives probably won't help, as fertility declines are strongly associated with education levels and money (and women's liberation in particular). Give women options and unsurprisingly, some will choose not to have children.
Honestly, we need to reform our economic system and not continually rely on fertility to solve all of our problems.
Fertility and demographic collapse aren't about supporting an economic system. Even if we were a post-scarcity communist utopia women would need to average 2.1 children/woman to maintain the existing population (2.1 isn't growth, it's maintenance - if you wonder why it's slightly higher than the number of people involved with making new people it's because you also have to cover for infertility and mortality among those children) or the same population-level result would occur. The nasty thing about demographic collapse is that it's subtle until it isn't and by that point it's really hard to fix. There is no economic system where people don't need to make more people to have a stable population, at least not unless/until we achieve some kind of immortality.
Ultimately you have three options when it comes to the topic, and they all have downsides:
IIRC. the US is one in two countries in the entire world that does not offer paid maternity leave.
Truth. Although at least FMLA allows us to not get fired during the 12 weeks after having a kid. You just won't get paid, assuming you haven't already used your FMLA time in that calendar year. Hopefully, you weren't stuck on bedrest during the pregnancy because you only get up to 12 weeks. Period. And that's whether it's used before or after the kid's birth. Also, if you've been working for your current employer for less than a year, you get nothing.
FREEDOM!!!!!..... hooray....
I'm pretty sure Somalia does not have paid maternity leave
Also the belief the future will be better and more abundant. People need that as possible parents being scared of the future are not having (more) children.
And the society we live in tells us money, expensive status symbols and varying experiences you can brag about are the most important things. Having many children stands in the way of that
There are also signs that there is an opportunity window that closes for large families.
As families sizes shrink, the children of those families go on to have a family size similar to what they grew up in. This is especially problematic for single child households.
Augustus did this 2000 years ago. Dictators can only imagine so far.
Another coinkidink.
"Coincidentally" also a thing that Putin is currently doing
the US Government is bought, paid for, and owned by the Russian Mafia. So much so that the Subordinate tries to emulate the master in every facet now.
This is the more accurate comparison. Yes, Trump’s government is like nazi Germany in many respects but the pronatalist movement is straight out the Putin playbook.
...could he just skip to the part where he feeds himself a bullet just like daddy-Hitler, already?
Founding of the Trump youth organization in 3... 2... 1...
If we ever get a group of MAGAlings running around, I'm going full Anakin Skywalker...
That's what they're hoping for. That's the whole point of using children as human shields.
Making American kids exert their bodies in ways Trump never ever has.
Meloni copying this (once more, as Italy has already done it many times, since the 1920s) in 3...2...
comes with bag of onions.
I feel like I missed part of the article where it said that the current administration was planning on distributing this medal. What I read was more along the lines of them saying that the current administration is potentially implementing some pronatalist policies and the it describes one policy promoted by a pronatalist group, but nothing about the current administration planning on implementing that specific policy.
Not saying any of this is good and I tend to mentally gloss over parts of text that I read, I'm just earnestly missing where it says that specific policy is one that is being looked into and I would appreciate someone pointing it out to me.
You're not wrong. The link seems to be based on a couple who are very pro-babies sending the idea of the mother medal to the Trump administration. Then, the article talks about how conservatives are trying to change the national dialogue about having kids and showed several quotes posted on social media saying why having babies is great.
The author of the article seems to be the one who made the link. They probably aren't wrong, but it wasn't the Trump admin who came up with it or started talking about it.
the Trump administration has shown signs of enthusiasm for a pronatalist agenda. DOGE head Elon Musk, a father of 14, posts regularly on social media about the need for Americans to have more babies; he has also promoted NatalCon on X. Vice President JD Vance has proposed the idea of a weighted voting system, in which the votes cast by parents would be valued more highly than those by the childless. US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy (a father of nine) signed a memo recommending that his department prioritize “communities with marriage and birth rates higher than the national average.”
Got to provide a continuous supply of children for the labour camps.
yeah its mask off now what with the deathcamp
medals would be worrying like 13 years ago, and we would be saying, "hey i think this guy might want to do a deathcamp"
but there's a deathcamp now sooooooooooooooooooo
job market is packed enough
Nonsense! Wages are still nonzero. They can go much lower.
wages can go lower, but what will the people eat?
the people would need subsidies by the rich, which hurts the economy!
Have you heard about the military parade on his birthday?
I think of all the oppressive governments, giving this medal must be a near universal thing that separates them from other governments.
Ugh, we shouldn't condemn something for being something Nazis did. Hitler liked dogs, doesn't make it wrong.
I don't approve of natalism. Some natalists are driven by white-replacement cringe theory. Some are just inexplicably concerned about population decline. (I still don't understand why.)
Fuck this medal though. It's going to help make people think women are only good for one thing.
Offering a medal for baby making while erasing women's achievements in science and leadership is definitely sending a message.
population decline is incredibly problematic… demographic crises can literally lead to the collapse of a society in a slow enough manner that it’s kinda difficult for people to see coming unless they know what to look for
i’d highly recommend the recent kurzgesagt video about south korea
